Fairy Tail Revision

The moment that all of you have been wating is here... And you can't be any more dissapointed. Mostly, because my studies and a storm that led me without light for 12 hours, I'm here on my phone making this. Because I won't be able to do it until next weakend if I don't post this today.

So, to make it short, I'm going to post the relevant calcs that I'll use for the scaling, say who and why scale from that and some clarifications and special cases. Because, with +100 profiles, explain one by one would be impossible, as well as unneccesary, since several profiles are just "Fought/Battled/Harmed X character".

So, Let's begin:

• First: City Block level for "Low-Tiers" (If we can call it like that)

Scaling for and from Alzack Connell, Bisca Connell née Mula, Max Alors (A character relevant to the scaling soon to have a profile) and others. The feat comes from Laxus' Thunder Palace, which DT calculated at Town level.

As we can see, the spell was formed by 300 lacrimas, that all in conjuntion were going to destroy Magnolia Town (Yes, that's Town level). Now, each time someone destroys a lacrima, a lightning bolt strikes them. Here, we can see how many lacrimas destroyed each characters (Obviously we don't see all of them, but we can see some consistent results) -Gray: 4

-Alzack: 1

-Nav: 1

-Wakaba: 1

-Macao: 1

-Tono: 1

-Kurov: 1

-Droy: 1

-Jet: 1

-Wan: 1

So, way is this relevant? Because from DT calc we can calculate the power of each lacrima, resulting in 40.95 Tons of TNT (City Block level).

Now, we have only two inconsistencies here, Juvia and Erza.

Juvia for being defeated by one, but, in her case, she destroyed one in order to damage herself and save Cana. Also, she was in her water form, which if it can be weak to steam and freezing, I don't see why electricity can't be reasonable.

About Erza, well... She destroying 200 is pretty.... Bull****. While she is indeed stronger than Natsu and Gray, is not by a big margin, [www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_Fairy_Tail_22_1#gohere because as we can see on this chapter], Natsu can held his own against a serious Erza. But hey, it wouldn't be Erza's first inconsistency.

Back to the 8-B results, this is helpful for the likes of Levy McGarde, Elfman Strauss and Cana Alberona. As they managed to be considered for the S-Class Mage Exam, they should be logically superior to this 8-B characters. Also, Elfman hold his own against Gajeel, Levy battled Kawazu (Who managed to make little damage to Gajeel), so this is consistent.

• Second: Multi-City Block level via this feat from Gray in Phantom Lord Arc, as well as his durability in the next Arc with the 4 Lacrimas of Thunder Palace (Resulting in 163.8 Tons of TNT). This would scale to a bunch of characters, but here are the most relevant:

-Natsu

-Erza

-Juvia

-Gajeel

-Lucy with Loke/Aquarius

-Bickslow

-Freed

-Evergreen

-etc.

Now, this would also scale to Max Alors (Told ya, he is relevant), since he easily defeated Natsu after the 7 years, since Natsu and co were trapped under the effects of Fairy Sphere in Tenrou. And since Max is one of the "lowest" tiers even Post TS, this scale to practically anyone relevant.

• Third: Small Town level from this clash betwee Erza Knightwalker and Erza Scarlet

This would scale to... Them.

That's it. Though Makarov is stronger than her.

• Fourth: Town level from this feat from Post 2nd Origin Erza.

This would scale to Mirajane.

Now, since Natsu is close, not in the exact same level, but close to Erza, i think that make them Town level, but on a lower scale, wouldn't be bad. You already know who would scale (Practically Everyone)

• Fifth: Large Town level+ from this Lightning Flame Dragon Natsu Feat (Corrected in the comments). This would scale to Laxus Pre TS (Natsu made this feat after receiving Laxus' magic power), DF Natsu (Erza compared his LFD to his Dragon Force, also because Dragon Force is the strongest from of a Dragon Slayer) and Hades' Durability.
• Sixth: Small City level+. From both Pre TS Gildarts and Post TS Silver

The first calc would scale to Gildarts and Bluenote.

The second one would scale to the Etherious Form of the Tartaros Members (While Silver was in Base, Gray couldn't make any damage apart from throwing him not-ice things and redirecting his own attacks, whereas other Tartaros members can be harmed with the characters in Base form. But i think that their Etherious should be superior to Silver's Ice) and Gray's Devil Slayer Form (And other transformations, like Natsu's LFD, Gajeel's ISD, Wendy's DF, Mira's Sitri ect)

• Seventh: City level from this feat of the Celestial Spirit King (As well as a good Hypersonic+ movement feat for him. And maybe others) and Jellal Fernandes's Sema

The first calc would only go to Base Mard, since he matched the CSK.

The second, while at first only scale to Jellal's Sema only, since Jellal damaged Oracion Seis (They were the ones that took Sema) with normal attacks, this would scale to Jellal, Jura, Laxus, Cobra, Angel, Racer, Midnight and probably somebody else that I'm forgetting.

• Seventh.5: Mountain level

For Etherious Mard (Since Mard Base alone is stronger than even the Etherious of all Tartaros, I don't see why Mountain level would be weird for him), DF Natsu (Damaged Etherious Mard) and Devil Slayer Gray when facing demons (He grievously injured Etherious Mard)

• Eighth: Island level from Brandish's feat and supported by Invel's feat (The calc only make the energy of the frozen mountain, but ignored the rest of the frozen area)

This would scale to all the Spriggan, since Brandish said that they have the same power as her when she made the Island feat. As well as nearly all base characters, since Erza battled Ajeel on her own, Natsu battled Jacob with Lucy's help and Lucy battled Brandish when she was holding back.

The only few exceptions would be listed at High 7-A (Base Wendy pushed Dimaria with Sherria's help, twice. Human Mirajane briefly battled Jacob. And several characters defeat Wall's Weakness soldiers, that even in the lowest, they harmed Human Mirajane)

And then leave "At least Island level" for August, Irene (Likely higher for her dragon form), Laxus (Even while weakned, he defeated Wall), Gildarts (The strongest FT guild member), Zeref (He is stronger than August and Irene), FDK Natsu (One shotted Jacob), Devil Slayer Gray (Easily defeated Invel after going bloodlust. Likely higher against demons) and Human Acno (One shotted God Serena)

And, finally for Igneel and Acnologia (Dragon), they would be Country level, because Warren compared Acno with Country busters Dragons (Albeit, the countris in FT are quite big. Even Fiore is High 6-B alone) and Igneel was the only one able to fight him, aswell as severe damage him.

About the speed: We have this calcs Massively Hypersonic+ Pre TS Base Natsu and At least Massively Hypersonic+ Post 2nd TS Erza.


This would basically make the characters Massively Hypersonic (For low tiers) all the way to Massively Hypersonic+. Adding "At least" from Post 2nd Timeskip onwards.

I'm sorry if the thread is uncomplete

I'll try my best to answer your questions.


Also, there a thing Neinhart's Historia that I would try to explain tomorrow

I can't evaluate the calculations, but I have a few questions unrelated to the calcs:

1. Is it established that Dragon Acno is superior to Human Acno? Since his dragon transformation is basically Dragon Force.

2. Same with Irene. Isn't her milf human appearance just a visual, and all her biological characteristics are that of a dragon?

3. What happened to the timeframe and state of destruction to the countries? Didn't we handwave Country level Acno back then because we all agreed nothing indicated that a dragon busted the country in one-shot?

I agree with this upgrade. Although i think we should use the Large Island Level mid-end of Irene's meteor. Afterall Irene is onpar with August who's vastly stronger than the other Island Level sprigga.

Going to have to disagree with country level acnologia, the statement is vague, says nothing about how long it took for dragons to destroy countries, and the presence of island level characters doesn't give weight to country level ones, acnologica should be At least Island level.

Pretty sure we have profiles on this site based on vague statements and unclear timeframes so I don't see why that would matter.Demise and Medeus immediately spring to mind.

So skimming through this, I said okay to everything until we hit Erza vs Erza.

Although she didn't appear in the arc, I feel that Pre-TS Mirajane should still scale to this feat because:

1) They were rivals up until the point that Lisanna "died".

2) Mirajane is one of Fairy Tail's few S-Class Mages. As you know, Fairy Tail's standards for becoming S-Class are extremely rigorous and she casually stomped both Elfman and Evergreen and only lost due to a dumb trick and crushed Freed in rage.

I'm not sure why Silver's ice would be weaker than the Etherious Forms, as even Grey's relatively inexperienced use of it effectively one-shotted other Etherious such as Tempester.

We don't really have a time frame for the country busting though. At the same time, it's kind of ludicrous to think that the Spriggan 12 would beat a dragon when Dragon Slayer magic from Laxus and Cobra only tickled them. On the fence about this one.

Otherwise, nothing really for me to argue about.

@Celestial Pegasus

But Mavis is already country level, and Irene is small continent level with environmental destruction.

@DocAnimeTheory

Only when her body is used to power Etherion, not by her own attacks. Irene's ability isn't correlated to actual battle strength either since it's just restructuring the land.

@Aiden

In addition, DontTalk said that high-end Multi-City Block level was a safer bet since the feat is extremely low-end Small Town level.

Country level Acno (and by extension Igneel) is also supported by the statements that Zeref might not be able to beat him even if he used Fairy Heart to spam Etherion, which is 6-B. Coupling that with the way he fodderizes Island level characters and weaker dragons having supposedly busted countries before, i think we have enough evidence for an upgrade here.

As for the rest of the upgrades, the only thing i don't get is Mountain level Etherious Mard. Everything else seems fine.

@Rep


Mira scales from Multi-City Block level Erza because there no too much support on her being equal to Erza's strongest armors.


Gray one shotted Tempester because he is a Devil Slayer vs a demon. I compared Silver to Tartaros in general power, of course Silver could take down Tartaros via the use of Devil Slaying Magic.


Why you said that Spriggan would defeat Acno? August said that even Zeref would need Fairy Heart. And Zeref said that Larcade could beat him only because on how his Magic works (Killing with pleassure)


About 6-B Acno, we should consider that: Irene < Zeref ~< Natsu with Igneel's remains < Weakned Igneel < Held Back Acno < Prime Igneel < Acnologia.


Also "wipe out a country with a roar". It doesn't look vague for me, and again, they are FAR above Island level.

"Is it established that Dragon Acno is superior to Human Acno? Since his dragon transformation is basically Dragon Force." Nothing confirm, but I think that is reasonable to have different keys.

"Same with Irene. Isn't her milf human appearance just a visual, and all her biological characteristics are that of a dragon?" She said that her Dragon Body increased her magic power, and that's jow she accessed to Heavenly Body Magic.

Celestial Pegasus said:

Going to have to disagree with country level acnologia, the statement is vague, says nothing about how long it took for dragons to destroy countries, and the presence of island level characters doesn't give weight to country level ones, acnologica should be At least Island level.

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^ I agree with this. 6-B Acno and Igneel should be considered hyperbolic for now and it would be better to put them at probably 6-C or High 6-C.

We can upgrade them if they do show a legit 6-B feat.

Yeah...I think Erza is at least high hypersonic. I don't get how she was slow compared to all the other anime characters I've seen. I'm sorry about making changes to her profile though.

I understand that, but considering the fact that Mira was Erza's peer and the latter knew about Mira's strongest forms, I don't see why they wouldn't be comparable.

I was referring to the Dragons' current Island level ratings.

I wasn't sure if the phrasing (a "single one") was referring to a single dragon or a single roar. But reading the context around it, I guess it's more plausible then.

I believe the destroying a country with a single roar thing comes from only scanlations and one fan sub of the anime. The official versions don't have them and only say that dragons were destroying countries. Perhaps someone should find the original Japanese scan and get someone to do a proper translation.

Ohno, Mira's Sitri (Her strongest Demon Soul in Post Timeskip IIRC) would scale from Erza's strongest

But her regular Satan Soul won't.

"I was referring to the Dragons' current Island level ratings." But what do you exactly mean?

Acnolgia being Country level is supported do the fact that he himself destroyed multiple countries in the past, in Future Rouge's time line he literally soloed the verse(The Spriggans where present in that time line), and the ultimate proof is that Fairy heart is needed to defeat him which is a weapon of infinite energy.not to mention that he soled the dragons in the civil war.

Saying that he's just as strong as Eileen is just ridiculous, Acnolgia is a being that absorbed the souls of who knows how many dragon's(Absorbing souls give people more power), atlest he absorbed the soul of Igneel, Metalicana,Skiadrum,Grandeeney, Weisslogia etc, all those where Dragons that where at the very top of there race, Natsu With just a portion of Igneel power was doing pretty damn well against Zeref.


Acnolgia being Country level at the very least makes sense

I think that AidenBrooks999, Reppuzan, and Trinimac15 seem to make sense.

Perhaps we could place Acnologia and Igneel at "Likely 6-B" to indicate that we do not actually have proof yet?

After seeing more support for it, i think likely 6-B could work as well.

^since having Acnologia only on high 6-C would be too low knowing the difference beetween him and the rest a likely 6-B is indeed the best option considering we have the statement of him destroying a country and also the fact that Zeref stated Acnolgia was able to rule the world with no problem which would automatically include the threat of etherion which Acnolgoia looking from that statement is not even worried about and the magical council it self never even dared to use it even thou they had previous knowledge about his position.

For igneel's it should be stated likely 6-B at his prime since in battle with Acnologia he was much weaker.

I will be talking about two of the spriggans that shouldn't be island lvl and some other thing like Mirajane and Erza rivalry in power later since I have to go to work now so just in case if you could keep the thread open since I am kinda all the day on work since I don't know if you are gonna end this until I come back.

I still don't know why Acnologia is High 7-A just for being superior to Natsu who is 7-A. I don't ever remember any character that was allowed to jump a tier (or 2) just for being superior unless said character that they were superior to were at the high end of a calc.

And now being 6-B due to one statement and saying that he shouldn't be weaker than multiple 6-C characters when we have characters that are superior to others in their own verse in the same tier. If anything it would make Acnologia "At least Island level, possibly/likely higher".

Also, I thought Fairy Heart was just something that gave unlimited magic. That doesn't make it 6-B.

Everything else looks fine to me.

Would WB be considered Planetary because he was slated to have the power to destroy one? If not how can Igneel-Acnologia get the same feat. Beside the panel speaks of the country in question being an island. While I am not a FT follower. As for speed what it this places consensus on NF calculations. IIRC they were stating some Top Tier can get spiked into sub-relativistic.

WB is not planet level because we consider the ability to destroy a planet in one piece as massive Outlier or Hyperbole since no one(even WB) has ever show feat close to planet level.

@KuuIchigo

Fairy Heart 6-B Tier based on Etherio

NotEvenHuman said:

Country level Acno (and by extension Igneel) is also supported by the statements that Zeref might not be able to beat him even if he used Fairy Heart to spam Etherion, which is 6-B. Coupling that with the way he fodderizes Island level characters and weaker dragons having supposedly busted countries before, i think we have enough evidence for an upgrade here.

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Again, we have more than just a vague, unreliable statement for this, or else it would have been shot down instantly. Though "likely 6-B" does sound better than just 6-B, considering the lack of a solid feat.

"destroying a country" is very vague. When we calculate the destruction of a country, we usually do it down to sea level with a singular attack.

Acnologia destroying countries in the past could have been done over time, or by near-total fatalities. We have still yet to see him apply any sort of feats of that level, and Etherion is 6-B because of having the power to "destroy a country", when it is not displayed in any way.

However, now that we have literally 3 island feats, that supports the upgrade to island level for the listed characters.

I do NOT see why Acnologia, Irene, or August should be of a higher tier just by being superior to the spriggan 12, when we usually just place "At least" for that very reason.

In this case, even if you guys are persistent with the 6-B upgrade, "Possibly" is the only thing that should be put in, until further feats.

CinCameron20 said:

In this case, even if you guys are persistent with the 6-B upgrade, "Possibly" is the only thing that should be put in, until further feats.

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Well said.

As for the 6-B thing, we could put:

At least 6-C, likely much Higher

We upgrade Several toriko character to large star due to be superior to star level character and star level only has small gap between its lowest stats and highest stats.

I'm not familiar with Toriko so I can't comment. But if you have an issue with the power-scaling in that verse, make a separate conten revision thread.

As for this topic, it would be ill advised to upgrade Acnologia to 6-B based on assumption and hyperbole. Just because you need a 6-B weapon to beat someone, it does not mean they themselves should be put at 6-B. We can upgrade him to 6-B if/when he gets a legit feat that can be quantified to be at such a level.

Let's also wait for that translation @AidenBrooks requested.

@Soldier Blue

Warren was talking about Acnologia's roar when he said a dragon could wipe out a country. Here's the official viz translation "It's gotta be more power than a guy can imagine!!! Acnologia's roar...!!! I mean when dragons were around so long ago, whole countries were wiped out by a single one! Nobody human... can take on a thing like that and hope to live through it..."

Afterall Zeref said he would need to the power of Fairy Heart which is country level to defeat Acnologia.

Nope, I dont have problem with character to jump a tier because he was superior to character with the same Tier as long as the character that being much inferior him is already close to jump a Tier, since it's common sense and frieza second form is also Small Star level due to the same reason.

I am pretty sure they were talking about the roar Acnologia used on Tenrou Island.

Warren said dragons could destroy a country in reference to Acnologia's roar. As i explained above.

I was wondering, what is the exact size of Earth in the FT verse? Is there an accepted size for it, or are we using regular Earth size?

Now, about Acnologia and the other dragons, would it be possible to scale them to Irene's meteor or something? So, their stats would be described as

Attack Potency: At least Large Island level, likely higher

• Stat comes from scaling to Irene's meteor summon
• "Likely higher" comes from the fact that Acnologia and Dragons > Irene or something.

Irene is a dragon.

Well, Irene is a dragon herself, just presumably less powerful than Acnologia and Igneel in his prime.

Anyway, I do not mind "At least Large Island level, likely higher" for the latter two, by scaling from Irene's meteor.

That seems fine, Lina.

Agreed, but Irene's Large Island level meteor should aslo scale to Zeref, August, and Larcade.