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Marvel Comics God-Tier Speed Upgrades

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Over the past few weeks a whole lot of potentially FTL to MFTL+ feats have been found for various characters. I was asked to list them here.

  • Gladiator tackles Heimdall at 514,000,000,000,000c, it's questionable if this scales to reactions (since he was flying) but he did make a sharp turn as soon as he hit Heimdall. It's worth noting a future version of him has a 1,798,369,413,000c reaction feat.
  • And while I don't have nearly as much evidence compiled for the Heralds (who should naturally scale to this) they too have casual FTL Reaction feats.
If anyone else has some more FTL reaction feats I missed I'll be happy to add them.
 
I and Matthew have talked in private about ceasing to use the handbooks for speed scaling, given that they seem very inaccurate in this respect.

We are thinking about listing all high-level characters that can be scaled from Thor as having MFTL+ combat speed, based on your findings.

We might also be able to scale mid-level characters from Spider-Ma, and low-level characters from the Black Panther.
 
Using Handbooks ends up making Spider-Man faster than Silver Surfer and Odin. Things like that should make clear how inaccurate they are when it comes to speed.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Using Handbooks ends up making Spider-Man faster than Silver Surfer and Odin. Things like that should make clear how inaccurate they are when it comes to speed.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
 
@Ant Over on reddit there's a mega RT being compiled for Spider-Man in a similar vein to the Thor blogs I'm doing. It should be done in about 2~ months according to the author, so that could help a lot with street-tier rankings.
 
@Xcano

You truly are great help for Marvel.

I will start reading on Abstracts soon.

The problem is, there is no list showing their appearances chronologically.
 
Well, given Marvel's massive "anybody can fight anybody" inconsistency, it would be a rather large project to attempt to gauge which characters that should be scaled from each category, and then adjust the profiles accordingly. We will have to try our best.
 
I personally would go with usual showings and Weight-Classes.

It'd be illogical for Street-Level Humans to scale from Low-Superhumans like Spider-Man. Meanwhile, Spider-Man shouldn't scale to Carol Danvers, Vision, Iron Man and the like.
 
Well, I don't think that we can give characters far below Thor's level, such as Iron Man, MFTL+ combat speed.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
By the way, while we're at it.
@Xcano

Did you find any notable feat for Loki in your reads?
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He implies that he has superhuman reflexes, sent magic from Asgard to Earth in a few seconds (though this seems outlier-y for him), flew to another city (at least 50 miles away) in a supposedly short timeframe and then likely turns the entire city into candy before flying to the north arctic. Sandu, who got his power from Loki was able to stop bullets in the air with his telekinesis.
 
In Avengers #1 he intercepted Radio Waves from a universe away.

I think he also has some Planet-Busting statements.
 
Aceraspire said:
Author intensions > actuall feats
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This is not how things work here, I mean tell yourself. How can you expect us to not exceed an author's intentions when the activity we're engaging in right now does a song and dance around it? If you care so much then don't even partake in vs debates.

Feats > Intention is basic stuff from our site; if you refuse to oblige you won't last very long here I'm afraid.
 
What the author may or may not have meant to have happened =/= what actually happened.

Toriyama can say "Frieza curbstomped SSJ2 Gohan in the Piccolo Saga" that doesn't mean that remotely actually happened within the story. (Of course a very extreme example but the point stays)

Maybe a guidebook says Spiderman is faster than Odin and Silver Surfer, but when actually reading their stories, their feats, their statements, their in verse scaling and the lore surrounding these hiearchies of power, such a statement just simply isn't true.

While author authority is important in some cases, if the author says something that is blatantly untrue within the actual story, it is safe to discard that.
 
Where's the Spiderman > Odin in speed coming from? Looking at their profiles, Thor and Odin are scaled from Spiderman in speed guidebook-wise.

But yeah, though a bit bias coming from a Thor fan, I agree with the upgrade for him and anyone who scales to him, at least, on the cosmic scale. MFTL+ Spiderman, going by handbook rating, is about as acceptable to me as MHS Hawkeye, which is just no.

@Aceraspire

Not commenting on what you and the others are talking about, just suggesting that next time, delete the quoted comment on the comment you quoted so double quotes don't happen and make the thread longer than it's supposed to be.
 
@Gemmy Even Spiderman being comparable to Odin is quite absurd.

But Silver Surfer is said to be "almost comparable to Thor." And Thor is "roughly as swift as Spiderman."

Therefore Spiderman is faster than Silver Surfer according to the gudebook.
 
Aceraspire said:
Well if i was author i would want for people to use my intentions & statements , not feats that are not mean to be calculated.

I don't refuse,i fact i made 2 vs threads so far and i went by profile made of feats and i'll do that in future.

I'm just throwing my 2 cents here.Sorry if you have problem with that
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If I was an author I would also not intend for people to use my characters and have their statististics indexed on a wikia; with that said I'll repeat my last point. If you care so much about authors intention, why even come here when the very concept of this site exceeds it?

Now, I hope you can cease with this derailment; if you want to continue to support your (rather asinine) argument. Do so elsewhere, like on my wall. I'll be happy to oblige.
 
Yes. Tom knows his way around continuity very well, and is the one writing the current handbook statistics, but I am losing my respect for his sense of judgement.

Anyway, Aceraspire, please stop derailing the thread. The focus should be on compiling MFTL+ Thor feats to scale from. (I do not know whether or not we should wait with the overall speed scaling for a separate thread?)
 
@Ryukama

Yeah, hence my comment that cosmics scale to Thor's MFTL+ instead because Spiderman being anywhere close to them in speed is just eh.

@Matthew Schroeder

Well, Mjolnir was retconned to have a being called Tempest sealed inside it. Odin never defeated it in live combat but sealed it when it was weakened enough.

Ages ago, an unimaginably powerful cosmic storm called the God Tempest approached Asgard. Called the "Mother of Thunder," the storm possessed the power to knock planets out of their orbit and make black holes shake. Odin, chief of the Norse gods, battled the storm for many days when it threatened Asgard. Once the storm was weakened enough, Odin defeated the God Tempest by trapping it into a chunk of Uru that was given to him by the Dwarves of Nidavellir as a gift.

Oh, and it's classed by The Initiativeas an Omega Class weapon now, the class that includes the likes of the Cosmic Cube.
 
Well, I do not think that we can scale Mjolnir to 3-B without any explicit feats. Jason Aaron allows Thor to fight Odin in one moment, and have trouble with the Silver Samurai in the next.
 
I agree with Mjolnir not being 3-B, yeah, just that it's strong enough to not follow Odin's orders, even if by force of will or something. Though, nothing to be added to Thor's profile.

On another note, Jason Aaron sounds familiar. Is he a former Thor writer or someone who wrote another story some years past?
 
He currently writes Thor.
 
Mjolnir having the Tempest in it doesn't really mean anything. The Tempest is what's powerful, not the actual hammer I'd imagine.

Like, sealing a planet-buster in a stick doesn't make the stick planet-busting. It just means your stick acts as a gateway to whatever world the planet-buster is being held in.
 
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