Marvel Comics God-Tier Speed Upgrades

[LordXcano]

We first have to get some calculated MFTL+ feats for Thor, and then we have to decide which characters that should be scaled from the Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Thor respectively.
In addition, I think that characters like Juggernaut would likely have to be placed at Unknown speed.

Honestly Spidey's MHS feat is really likely an outlier considering nearly all of his other feats are bullet-timing. I think it'd be a lot better to scale Spider-Man from Black Panther with a "likely higher" since he's obviously faster than a peak human.

As for Thor, I could calculate him throwing Loki to Asgard and the tornado spin thing if you wanted but I think in terms of "this is MFTL+" it's fairly self-evident, just like how we didn't need a calculation to prove Silver Surfer exiting the galaxy in 1 frame was MFTL+.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, I'm fairly certain Spider-Man has numerous feats above Supersonic+, that warrant his MHS scaling

 

[Antvasima]

Well, our visitors recurrently want some sort of estimation for how high the MFTL+ value is.

 

[LordXcano]

@Matt There are a lot of microsecond feats, but outside of those nothing comes close. Plus I kinda doubt how fast a "microsecond" is in Marvel, given that Daredevil says he both needs to aimdodge and do so in the "microsecond" before someone fires in the exact same sequence, along with things like Ghost Rider saying he as a "microsecond" til he hits the ground despite being several meters up.

I'm starting to find it pretty likely they just use the word microsecond to add flair to things, like how they repeatedly describe speed feats as taking place in a "split second" despite 0.5 seconds being far too high of a timeframe to do things like time arrows point-blank.

@Ant Alright give me a second.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[LordXcano]

@Ant

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/Some_MFTL+_Thor_Feats

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the help.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So just got back. Aside from some drama and likely some unnecessary stuff going down here, are we just waiting on at least Thor's MFTL+ feats or something? Cause i kind of don't see why we can't at least upgrade Odin and those of his level or whatever...

Though if Thor's involved here still, i suppose we'll have to wait a bit more...

 

[Antvasima]

The MFTL+ speed feats (linked to in LordXcano's last post in this thread) have been evaluated and accepted by The Living Tribunal1, so I think that we can start to upgrade the combat speed of all of the characters scaled from Thor accordingly.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Aite. Was expecting you to say if we need more input on there but cool.

 

[Antvasima]

So, to start with, is anybody willing to handle the speed upgrades to all the characters currently scaled from Thor's speed?

We will probably have to handle the rest of the speed revision (working out how to best get rid of the handbook speed scaling) in another separate thread.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Probaly a good idea to get a staff memeber to do those upgrades..

 

[Antvasima]

Agreed.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Are the any unlocked pages that scale from this? i can possibly do those....

 

[Cropfist]

There is a list of who scales?

 

[Antvasima]

All of the Marvel profiles that currently say that they are scaled from Thor should probably be adjusted, but let's wait for more comments from the staff.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So Thor is given a speed rank of Massively FTL+, with the calced feats linked of him, on it right? So take out the mention of his "guidebook rating" and put that, and the ones that are scaled from him in one way or another are given Massively FTL+?

What should the reasoning be? Same thing as what we did with his FTL+ rating?

Making sure before we actually go and do this for real later today...

 

[FanofRPGs]

I agree with the changes

 

[SomebodyData]

^Me too.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Depending on when exactly we'll make the changes, I'll take care of a good portion of them.

 

[Antvasima]

@CrossverseCrisis

I suppose so, yes.

Although we then have to make another content revision thread for which Marvel characters that should be scaled from Spider-Man, which ones from Black Panther, and which ones that should receive an unknown speed rating.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Ant: Ah. Alright. Well other than me and Cal, who else plans on helping out with this? I plan to go and adjust the ones who are scaled to Thor later today if there's no objections or further comments...

 

[RadicalMrR]

I can also help a bit later to night, though we should organize who gets what, like

Blank gets A-I, Blank gets K-N and Blank gets S-Z.

Or at least something like that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You missed J ovo. But seriously, that would work, if we treated it like a revision project.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I can help if possible

 

[Antvasima]

I prefer if the staff handle this. It is quite important to get it right after all.

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps Matthew would be willing to help coordinate it?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We could list all God-Tier profiles that would scale here.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Agreed. I was about to suggest that myself.

 

[Antvasima]

Agreed.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Okay, I understand

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Galactus

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sentry

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thanos

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dormammu

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ghost_Rider_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Odin_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_She-Hulk

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Silver_Surfer_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Apocalypse_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/A-Bomb

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wonder_Ma

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperion_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hercules_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ultron_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Hulk

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Galacta

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Scarlet_Witch (?, also needs to be cleaned up)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Abomination_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeus_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Marvel

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Loki_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Namor_(Marvel_Comics) (I feel we should search feats for him)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Destroyer_(Marvel)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mangog_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Quicksilver_(Marvel_Comics) (Dunno what to do with his speed)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rogue_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beta_Ray_Bill

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Firelord

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Skaar

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ego_the_Living_Planet

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nova_(Richard_Rider)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blackheart_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Onslaught

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Uatu_The_Watcher

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Surtur_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Jane_Foster)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Champion_of_the_Universe

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Hunger

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Stardust

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Runner

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ares_(Marvel)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Vulcan_(Marvel_Comics) (What is this?)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Quasar

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cyttorak

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gorr_The_God_Butcher

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Drax_the_Destroyer_(Marvel_Comics) (Is he really this strong? also, pic is really old)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cul_Borso Incomplete

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Annihilus

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Morg

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mistress_Love baaad profile

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nemesis_(Marvel) Bad profile

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nova_(Frankie_Raye)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Balder IS he really this weak?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Heimdall

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bor_Buriso

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Durok_the_Destroyer

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kurse_(Marvel_Comics)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hope_Summers ??? 10-A Phoenix Force

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Marquis_of_Death

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I probably missed a few.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Somewhat off topic, but Drax should be 4-B. Isn't his big thing his grudge with Thanos?

 

[Antvasima]

Drax should probably have two keys. One before being depowered, and one after.

Ares, Heimdall, and Balder are technically rated quite low in the handbook strength scale.

Scarlet Witch is physically closer to street level. I do not think that we can give her MFTL+ combat speed.

Restricted Ghost Rider can probably at best only be scaled from Spider-Man in terms of speed.

I am uncertain what to do about Namor and Quicksilver.

Vulcan may be a bit of an uncertainty as well, but could fight Gladiator and Black Bolt, so I suppose that he may scale.

 

[Antvasima]

Hope Summers is also physically closer to street level, but mimics powers to power-up to extremes.

What about Richard Rider Nova, Blastaar, and Super-Skrull btw?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Quicksilver has no showings of MFTL+ Travel Speed like Heralds, and is only ever an unmatched Speedster against Earth-Bound heroes and villains. He shouldn't be MFTL+

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. It does seem odd to visitors though. Perhaps we could make a distinction between combst and travel speed? He is consistently shown as swifter during matchups.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Nevermind.

Here is Thor blitzing Quicksilver and stating to have fought faster foes

Edit: Here

And Hulk reaction to him in an old comic

 

[Joseph619]

Silver Surfer has scanned entire galaxies in less than a minute, how can Spiderman's reactions be comparable to Surfer? Goten and Trunks struggled against a snake in DBS, Spiderman or any street tier reacting to Surfer is PIS and outlier. The upgrades look good and should be implement I reckon, Marvel has been downplayed in the wiki for a long time now (although I am not a fan of marvel)