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Doflamingo vs Escanor

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Both have basic information on the other's abilities (Doflamingo knows of Escanor's power increasing towards Noon, and Escanor knowing that Doflamingo utilizes threads)

Battleground: Dressrosa, Bird Cage is surrounding the island

Starting Positions: 10 meters apart

Scenario: Both encounter eachother and begin talking, the topic changes to their arrogance. Doflamingo's god complex comes out while Escanor's own Pride begins to well up. They both become aggravated with each other's presence, and thus begin fighting at exactly 11:00AM.

Who would win by the end of this fight?

Donquixote Doflamingo: 3 (OishiLover75, AkuAkuAkuma, Pocket-chu) (+1 for CinCameron20 D-=!)

Escanor: 7 (Yomi Schwarz, Pachi2, CoreOfimBalance(COB), LordAizenSama, TISSG7Redgrave, -BANLK-, Therealcalhoward)

Donquixote Doflamingo Manga Infobox
Doffy

Escanor Day
 
hard battle....me personally i would go with escanor,due to being able to tank and best fighters that should be around doffy's level.those include (meliodas and the rest of the sins,galan and estarossa)

  • Escanor at dawn, not even close to full power, can passively liquefy an entire castle in an instant by turning up the heat of his aura. He also disintegrates the Vampire King.His aura is hot enough to passively destroy Izraf's Black Full-Plate, an armor of darkness strong enough to resist the Hellfire used by the Demon Clan.
  • doffy would be worned down by escanor's sunshine as the fight goes on the more he increases his aura the hotter and excruciating the fight would get for doffy.his long range attacks such as overheat and such would likely be tanked by escanor or would just dodge it.in order to deal more lethal damages to escanor he would need to come close to him and tank his sunshine by then doffy's performance would be greatly decreased due to the heat that even powerful nanatsu character's are scared of
  • his dura should at best negate and tank his attacks,because he No-sells Vampire King Izraf's Impurity magic, which disintegrates flesh, and blows him back with just the pressure exuded by his power. The Vampire King had a power level of 4,890, stronger than any of the characters we saw in the anime (first arc of the manga) except for Gray Demon Hendrickson.
  • No-sells Galan's strongest, 40,000-power-level strike with only a cut in his arm. He doesn't even move an inch. The strike blows apart the small mountain they're in with a much bigger explosion. It sends a shock wave for miles, and even the shock wave is strong enough to cut a small mountain in two.such capabilities are enough to at least tank doffy's strongest attacks with minimal problem
  • lastly he dropped estarossa to his knees in single punch that was even blocked. same estarossa who easily blocked with 1 hand a revenge counter of 36k PL meliodas with the damage he took from ALL the commandments combined.
  • Escanor tanked a full countered slash(the attack he took was twice as powerful) that he did to estarossa, and we know escanor's strength was able to casually drop estarossa to his knees.as bonus the Wounds dealt by his axe burn with the heat of his magic, preventing painless Regenerationn.doffy's string regen would wore him out due to this
  • as a final verdict.due to escanor's latest feats he would outlast doffy in a battle of strength and would eventually kill him due to being exposed to his sunshine which can melt izraf who is stronger than most holy knight's in the anime and would bisect doffy or knock him out by the power of Rhitta.the only hope doffy has is his long range attacks (which can possibly be incinerated by escanor's sunshine.doffy's strings are IMO playthings to him) That is all and pls notice this is just my opinion ^_^ |
  • NOTE:the imgur links seem to have expired.im sorry but pls disregard the links i've posted and take them as a highlight.sorry for the inconvenience
 
With his overwhelming heat, wouldn't he just melt the streads on the first place? And if the match is in a slowly closing in prison, that would mean Escanor would just have to bum rush and melt Donflamingo with his pure presence alone.

It doesn't help that the strongest we've seen him is 11:30 only and not yeah actual noon but it speaks levels of what he can do. Anyway siding with Escanor.
 
@Yomi - you make good points, but I'm going to try and see if I can negate them.

1) I'm not sure how hot Escanor's flames must be, however, melting stone and metals are feats that are applied by hot yellow flames (being at around 1,570 degrees celcius at most to melt iron or steel).

2) If we're going by statistics, Doflamingo is much more powerful than Galan. I concede that Escanor, near or at his peak, would be capable of soldiering through his attacks, but taking no damage? I don't see that being the case. Attacks like Flap-thread should be capable of holding Escanor back, if even somewhat.

3) The links to your images are broken Q-Q, but a PL of 4,890? Isn't that incredibly low?

4) Doflamingo's attacks would still be able to do something to Escanor, even at his peak. You're comparing a High 7-A character to a 6-C character, and while it makes little difference at the boarder, Doflamingo should be physically far superior to Galan.

5) iirc, Estarossa's commandment negates attacks that are fueled by anger, or hate. He dispelled Revenge Counter with his commandment by being the closest target to it, while Meliodas was full of hate and trying to cut them down. And of course, Doflamingo would be at a physical disadvantage against Escanor, but he still has his awakened powers, parasito, pseudo-Regenerationn, and precognition to help him against a fighter that is stronger than him.

6) He took the full counter slash, but he was clearly injured by it and was shaking. As soon as the clock hit 11:30, his power increased drastically, allowing him to overpower Estarossa.

7) I do not see Doflamingo's threads or himself being incinerated by Escanor's heat. Doflamingo seems to have some sort of resistance due to heat and cold due to his superhuman body, and also due to haki. He blocked Sanji's Diable Jambe with his leg, which was not imbued with haki. He didn't show any signs of being hurt by it. Pre time-skip, Sanji's diable jambe was capable of scorching Jyabura from his skin through his ribs despite Tekkai being activated.

Doflamingo didn't even flinch from the heat. I'm not saying that Escanor would be unable to burn Doflamingo, but I just don't see him being capable of incinerating Doflamingo or his threads with his current feats. Armament haki also helps in this case, as it places armor over the user, and his weapons/ability.

I think that you guys are mainly focused on this fight being almost a brawl for the entire duration, but Doflamingo could fight extremely passive, or even trick Escanor into fighting just his Black Knight while the real one hides out of view for the fight.

Even though Escanor becomes stronger and stronger up until Noon, he does not lose the damage dealt to him. And if Doflamingo retreats into the sky and Escanor tries to follow him up there by jumping, he will be wide open for an attack, or being immobilized by threads.

Escanor's miniature sun can be caught by Doflamingo's Break White applied with haki, if only for a moment, and Escanor's attacks are mostly melee. Doflamingo would not have a hard time steering clear from his attacks via evasion, or even using his ability to throw Escanor off balance (Everwhite changing the floor into threads, Black Knight keeping Escanor off of Doflamingo himself, and even using Spider thread to catch Escanor from point-blank range).

Even if Doflamingo takes blows from Escanor, he is durable enough to survive them. He even survived having Gamma exposed to his internal organs, and got right back up a moment later and continued fighting.

While Escanor has a better chance of coming out victorious with his superior power towards Noon, once the sun starts going down, he will gradually weaken. Doflamingo is one of the characters with insane stamina and could probably hold his own against Escanor for hours. Once Escanor is weakened to a point where Doflamingo is physically superior to him, it would be his victory.

(This is why I wanted you to make the thread... i can't vote, but you can *cries*)
 
@Cin Escanor at 11:30 is luffy gear 4 level, and we all know he didnt last that much against him, the battle will be short imo, not because doffy is weaker, but because if both of them go in character, Escanor will start spamming his bests attacks, doffy would counter with his and that will keep going until one of them falls. Dont think stamina will be a key factor here.
 
I won't respond much but several points of yours are kinda iffy.

5) Meliodas knows Estarossa. He already knows he was there so naturally he would fight with the intent to kill immediately. Besides, if he was already feeling hatred then the fight shouldn't have happened on the first place. He would never be able to do any sort of attack at all. Meanwhile, there's also the issue that he was already mid swing and the energy of the kinetic attack (seemingly as Estarossa stopped it) was already about to be unleashed.

6) He did overpower Estarossa at that time, but that doesn't mean that was his only shot. He clearly completely overwhelmed him with how stunned Estarossa was. And I don't see any damage Escanor slowing him down after either. Even after his fight with Estarossa he was itching to get back and keep fighting, not to mention right after he didn't even look like he was hurt.

You realize that there are kinetic shockwaves on melee attacks?

Gamma rays are different from heat. Conventional flames couldn't bypass darkness and yet Escanor's did just fine at early morning, not noon, early morning. Not to mention that a sun technically should have more radiation I think. On another note with the setting, Escanor would be able to keep the heat up in a very wide area. And we can't really compare Sanji's heat with Escanor you know.
 
@PaChi2 - you're comparing him to Gear 4th Luffy for what reason, exactly? And Doflamingo survived over 20 minutes without the use of haki on his threads since he was more focused on fixing his internal organs. He took a punch to the face from Gear 4th Luffy without using haki, and he was just fine. Even when Leo Bazooka hit him where his organs were freshly butchered, he was able to keep fighting and nearly beat Luffy, who had a 10 minute break.

Doflamingo is not a brawler. In most of his fights, he has fought passively while luring his opponents into his attacks. The only time he brawled was against Base Luffy, but he was toying with him (he was not even using haki for most of the brawl, as shown in the manga when he landed two kicks on him). He would not be recklessly trading blows with Escanor.

@Burning - the struggle is real :p.
 
I compared him to 4th gear luffy because of AP and because both will spam their best attacks from the begining (time limits sure are a pain). Doffy needs to last around 1 hour and a half before overpowering escanor...
 
That is not a lot of time, and Doflamingo could very well survive that long. And if it comes to a brawl, it does matter who can last longer, but I highly doubt Doflamingo would fight recklessly given his previous fights.

(i would continue from here but i gtg).
 
As much as i wanna say Escanor im siding with with Cin on this one , Doffy is a very strategic fighter that can work around time frame very easily and pull off much more intricate actions and attacks to out maneuver the Lion's Sin of Pride , him surviving for an entire hour and half wouldnt be that much of a problem (Weaker One Piece characters pull off even crazier things at times). Incredibly difficult match but i give to flamingo, ******* parasito....
 
Are you guys ignoring the part where everything around Escanor ignites or melts? Donflamingo may have recovered from gamma radiation but that was after an amount of time to slightly patch himself up. I know he can resist it, but if everything is constantly burning around him and he still has to deal with Escanor? Who's quite fond of actually using giant explosions if he feels like it?

Well.... I'll take my chances with the guy who's stealing damaging everything and has the area of effects and stats advantage... wits can only get so far. What's stopping Escanor from using said strings to pull Donflamingo towards him btw?
 
CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
Are you guys ignoring the part where everything around Escanor ignites or melts? Donflamingo may have recovered from gamma radiation but that was after an amount of time to slightly patch himself up. I know he can resist it, but if everything is constantly burning around him and he still has to deal with Escanor? Who's quite fond of actually using giant explosions if he feels like it?
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Id agree with this also rhitta is enchanted by sunshine.if doffy recovers using strings it would be very painful.unless we have an exact dura of doffy's strings if say escanor melts it.his sunshine is capable of melting top tier nanatsu characters with powerful enchanted armor.im sure melting strings is possible
 
@Core and @Yomi - While I see your arguments regarding Doflamingo having to get through Sunshine's heat, and any burns that he has on his body, and while it would indeed be a painful experience: Doflamingo shrugged off electrocutio and physical strikes on his freshly injured stomach, which was blown up a mere second prior, and could continue fighting at high intensity. He was still vastly stronger than Luffy, who had a handicap due to Law blasting up Doflamingo's insides. Despite this, he was able to get up after a moment, when Law and Luffy had started to believe that they defeated him.

I also stated that Doflamingo has been shown shrugging off temperature-based attacks from Aokiji and Sanji, the latter without the use of haki, and haki places an invisible armor surrounding the user. Doflamingo would be fine against heat-based attacks, as long as he can handle it with his durability, which he should be capable of, for the most part.

@Core - Doflamingo's has full control over his threads. If Escanor grabbed them and tried to pull on them to draw Doflamingo closer, Doflamingo simply needs to deactivate those threads, or remove them from his fingers. They do not remain attached to his body after completing his attacks. He has done attacks like Termite Thread and Fullblight, which are detached thread that he can remotely control.

He can also turn the entire battlefield into strings and use them as a means to bind, or attack Escanor, while also keeping himself protected. It doesn't hurt that he can also apply haki to the threads that he creates.

@Yomi - the threads likely have superior durability to Doflamingo, seeing as they were capable of blocking a double culverin from Luffy without showing any signs of damage, but Doflamingo was harmed by the attack (both did not use haki at the time)
 
Sunshine =/= Heat. It's quite a potent durability feat but seeing as Law doesn't make use of that ability a lot I don't think it would have a Mountain-Island level output otherwise he would spam it more. Also... Donflamingo there is really crying out in pain. Doesn't he frequently make use of strings to control his body? Kinda how he was able to survive and keep fighting?

I don't recall that Aokiji feat, nor them ever fighting, unless you're referring to the marineford war. Mind linking me? Either way sunshine's output is still something that can be turned on constantly.

Fair enough on the thread parts.

He can still burn those though, we don't have an exact measure of how hot the strings could resist. Even with Haku. Not to mention he can probably break through them with his strength. It might cut a little but I doubt it would be enough to cripple him. It might slow him down but not cripple.

You're referring to the strings blocking blunt damage against Luffy. Not heat. We can't make phsyical force = heat type damage.
 
@Core - Less crying out in pain, more spewing out smoke and blood, but that's very little difference. He only used threads on himself to repair damage. I have not seem him once put strings on his body to control himself.

Here is their stand-off for Aokiji and Doflamingo. They never fought. Aokiji stopped Doflamingo from killing smoker by trying to freeze him, but Doflamingo was perfectly fine after breaking out of it. People who were previously frozen by Aokiji were brittle and shattered easily (Jozu's arm came right off just by him falling over).

Actually, Doflamingo can make his created threads generate heat. His threads are not normal. Overheat is a thread of fire that he can create from his palm. He has used it a few times in the manga. Against Sanji, Against Law, and Against Luffy.

About the last statement: That was towards Yomi, questioning how durable the threads are.

I forgot about this (somehow), but Doflamingo took a Red-hawk, which sent flames through his torso and out his back and was perfectly fine after this. Red-hawk is an attack that Luffy first applied under 10,000 meters of water, and it still somehow managed to ignite and burn his opponent. Doflamingo took this attack in a normal environment.

Edit: I forgot about this as well: Doflamingo was also unaffected from the impact of a meteorite that was ablaze.
 
I realize that I'm mostly defending against your points, but not making statements such as: "What can Escanor do against this", so I believe that I should start presenting such arguments.

How is Escanor going to be able to land a blow on Doflamingo, even at Noon, without risking being countered by waves of threads at mid-range, or running head-first into Doflamingo's Kumonosugaki, being slowed down and counter attacked by him? Doflamingo simply needs to retreat into the air and send a barrage of Fullblight and Termite threads on him, while simultaneously restricting his movements with Everwhite and Billow White?

I find it hard to see Escanor putting up a strong fight against Doflamingo, especially since he is a restricted ground-fighter against someone who can transmutate an entire city into threads and turn it into a weapon or shield on a whim.
 
I see that people are arguing for Escanor due to Yomi's reasoning, but as far as I can see, these are the things presented:

1) Someone like Galan could barely hurt Escanor with his strongest attack

^However, if we go by profiles, Doflamingo would be physically superior to Galan by a land-slide.

2) Escanor gradually becoming stronger as the sun rises, which should make him superior to Doflamingo in terms of AP and Durability.

^While this is true, Escanor would need to bypass Doflamingo's other advantages to get to him. Doflamingo has much higher range, can transmutate the environment into threads, can use pseudo-flight, and has a level of Regenerationn. Also, he can restrict Escanor's movements to an extent with Parasito and Kumonosugaki.

3) The heat from Escanor's attacks would wear Doflamingo down and eventually incinerate him.

^Escanor's flames have not proven to be more potent than hot yellow flames or nuclear explosives. Doflamingo has dealt with temperature based attacks from Aokiji, Luffy, and Sanji + tanked them. He should have no problem surviving heat-based attacks from Escanor with the aid of Busoshoku Haki.

And I'd like to conclude my points by suggesting that Doflamingo needs only to outlast Escanor until around 12:35 or so before the tables turn to his favor while Escanor begins losing his immense power.
 
The shockwave off of Galan's physical strikes were cutting through small mountains, weren't they? I can't see Doflamingo replicating a feat like that with strength alone.
 
I think Doflamingo did something like that when clashing with Luffy but I'm not sure about that since I'm just going off the information I've seen on this site.

But he's Island level so would that really matter?
 
Doflamingo is only technically Island Level via the island-spanning Birdcage which I think Escanor would be able to deal with.
 
Which feat? Lifting all of the rubble? That was only possible because of Fujitora's DF.
 
@Damage and @Burning - Doflamingo is Island level via powerscaling to Jozu, who he had easily held down with his threads, and Aokiji, for being unharmed from his freezing, even if the feat might have been casual for Aokiji.

He also scales far above Base Luffy, who tanked an attack from Fujitora that applied 1.5 Gigatons, and he was completely unharmed by it.

Birdcage would only qualify as Environmental destruction, and would not scale to Doflamingo's AP.

Their profiles literally have all the information and reasoning there.

Also, I advise looking at "Attack Potency" and "Durability" pages on the wiki.
 
I know, I just think some series are better off going by feats than pure powerscaling. Doflamingo's strength is impressive, such as when he cut through three large stone towers using only a single kick. I question the Island-Level clarifier because there are very few characters in One Piece that can destroy entire islands in a single attack. The most obvious I think would be Whitebeard & Blackbeard.

Doflamingo for instance I couldn't picture him destroying all of Dressrosa in a single attack.
 
@Damage - I see what you mean, but if we did focus on pure feats alone, it would make little sense when you look at the profiles. Crocodile would be 100x times stronger than Luffy, and so on.

But there are feats that characters scale from. Whitebeard applied a casual feat that Admirals scale to, since one of them got up after a beatdown by Bloodlusted WB and could continue fighting, while the others scale to him since one of them fought on par with him for 10 days straight.

But we're currently de-railing the topic. The focus must be on who would win between the two given the statistics from their profile. We can have this discussion in chat, or on my message wall.
 
1) ^While this is true, Escanor would need to bypass Doflamingo's other advantages to get to him. Doflamingo has much higher range, can transmutate the environment into threads, can use pseudo-flight, and has a level of Regenerationn. Also, he can restrict Escanor's movements to an extent with Parasito and Kumonosugaki.

Doflaming does not have regen but he does have the ability to apply first-aid to himself via stitching up his internal organs. I doubt it would help much against Escanor's types of attacks.

Doflaming does have the mobility advantage but Escanor can jump quite high such as when he jumped with his Cruel Sun to knock Estorossa into a lake.

If Escanor's temperature is enough to burn the threads around him, then it wouldn't matter if Doflamingo transmutes the environment.

2) ^Escanor's flames have not proven to be more potent than hot yellow flames or nuclear explosives. Doflamingo has dealt with temperature based attacks from Aokiji, Luffy, and Sanji + tanked them. He should have no problem surviving heat-based attacks from Escanor with the aid of Busoshoku Haki.

Doflamingo has but his strings probably would not survive the temperature.

Plus Luffy and Sanji's temperature attacks have been extremely brief flames alongside their attacks themselves, Escanor is on a whole other level compared to them.
 
@Damage

1) It qualifies as a type of Regenerationn, as he was capable of repairing his internal organs. It was something granted by his DF powers. He should have died almost instantly by such an attack.

If Escanor leaps into the air while Doflamingo is fully prepared, he might as well be ready to be caught and countered by Doflamingo's threads that are already scattered through the air for him to leap to (which is how he "flies" in the first place). If Escanor tries to use them, Doflamingo has full control over his own threads and would attack Escanor with him. Escanor can not last in an air-based battle.

I'll get to the "heat" argument in the next point.

2) Doflamingo actually has some level of heat resistance with his threads, as he has occasionally used "Overheat", an attack that he emits directly from his palm. It is a thread of literal fire.

Also, since he may be able to apply haki to his threads, Escanor would have a very difficult time trying to melt them.

Sanji's Diable Jambe and Luffy's Red Hawk were applied under thousands of meters of water. Having yellow flames emitted under that much water and low temperature shows how hot the attacks must be.
 
Now it's my turn (rawr).

What is Escanor going to do to actually beat Doflamingo within a hour and a half time-frame, when he has to deal with his awakened threads, Parasito, and pseudo-flight?

If he fails to land a decisive blow before his power starts weakening, Doflamingo will gain a massive edge and eventually take him out.

He wont let Escanor get close to him in general and has abilities like Black Knight, Sora no Michi, and Everwhite to keep Escanor from moving how he pleases. He would be able to stop his movements long enough to defeat him.

He can pile on the damage, even during Escanor's peak, given that someone like Galan could pierce his flesh, despite being only High 7-A in AP. Escanor wont be able to just shrug off the attacks for long, and he can't harm Doflamingo unless he or his Cruel Sun come in close proximity of Doflamingo, who can force Escanor back and fight from a safe distance hundreds of meters away. Doflamingo also has Enhanced sight and Precognition. It would be hard for Escanor to land a surprise attack on him.
 
I'm gonna have toside with Yomi on this one. His/Her points seem to be on point, and nigh-irrefutable in my eyes.
 
Doflaming doesn't have the heat resistence to deal with this kind of passive temperature released by Escanor: http://imgur.com/a/J6imj

Not even covering Escanor's Cruel Sun attack which instantly vaporized an entire lake: http://imgur.com/a/gfl2l

Wounds inflicted by Escanor's axe has the power of his magic in them, hurting a vampire even though he regenerated from the damage: http://imgur.com/a/R2BLZ

Escanor before 11:30 AM is FTE to Estarossa, who in turn is FTE to post-Druid Meliodas who can casually mess around with Galan who in turn is faster than pre-Druid Meliodas who is a lightning-timer. And Estarossa can become even faster as he gets closer to noon. http://imgur.com/a/wIq2J

At half his ordinary power-level during nighttime, Escanor was able to launch an attack that damaged two of the 10 Commandments: http://imgur.com/a/8cqTM

None of the temperature-based attacks Doflamingo has withstood has been anything near Escanor's level.
 
^iirc, 11:30 was a translation error, It was only 11, supposedly. Don't quote me on that

anyway seems this threads finished up
 
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