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Upgrade in power for Bleach characters

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Lille Barro's base form is put at mountain level for one shorting the cities of the royal guard members with ease and his durability is scaled from this. That makes sense obviously. So now is where the changes should be made. Shunsui was shown to be able to easily damage Lille and break his blut. However he is only city level. Shunsui should have mountain level attack potency in shikai if he is able to hurt Lille and break his blut.

If this is true than there are many characters who would have small upgrades as well.

Ukitake- scaling to Shunsui

Unohana- scaling to Shunsui

Base Kenpachi- scaling to Unohana

Pernida- scaling to Kenpachi

Potentially Mayuri- scaling to Pernida

I would also say Kisuke and Yamamoto should be put at mountain level in their shikai states since they shouldn't be any weaker than Shunsui or Ukitake.
 
If I find something that I think could potentially need a change I make a thread on it.

The upgrades in this thread seem to perfect sense to me
 
When Shunsui injured Lille was it because of his bankai or did he just slash him normally and caused damage? Because if it was hax related then it wouldn't upgrade Shunsui or scale to anyone alse.
 
I also don't remember Shunsui injuring Lille. Only that he sliced Diagramm but Lille formed it back with reishi or something. When it seemed like Lille was injured, it was revealed that he became intangible due to opening his eye three times.

Though, didn't Shunsui tank some attacks from Lille?
 
I agree with AppleLord. That seems like a regular sword slash, and it doesn't seem like it was following the rules of any of his durability ignoring games.

I also agree that he wouldn't have used intangibility if he wasn't at risk of harm from the slash, and thus regardless of Lille's tangibility this should scale to Kyoraku's AP.
 
That mountain level rating is likely guesswork and a error. it was put on the profile a long time ago.

the feat needs a calc, I guess.
 
Lille Barro is one of the newer characters. Why did you accept that rating if you didn't believe in it?
 
That's if he destroyed the entire soul palace. Look at the beginning of part 2 it goes over the cities.
 
You do realise how many profiles staff look after right? I can't keep an eye on everything, and I'd thank you not to make baseless accusations like that.

Thats not a calc for Lille's feat. Find te scan and request it to be made.
 
The part that relates to Lille is when it goes over the force to destroy all 5 cities (which is exactly what Lille did). The low end value is 18.6 Gigatons or 3.72 Gigatons for each individual city. So Lille is mountain level by this.
 
@Amiad22 just make a content revision thread and paste the calc with the images and without the palace calc.
 
There's no point of wasting another thread on it since I've already got all the info needed here
 
No. Not yet. They haven't respond. Actually, they don't seem to have respond to any of my post in the last few days, except for a guy that I forgot the name, the others must be busy doing some other stuff in the wiki. Just be patience and wait.
 
LordAizenSama said:
That mountain level rating is likely guesswork and a error. it was put on the profile a long time ago.
the feat needs a calc, I guess.
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I'm not sure but I think Lille was rated at large city level (which is 7-A and same as mountain level) by the one who made the profile for being able to bust the cities surrounding the soul palace which were calc'ed at large city size. But as you said, someone should do a proper calc of that.
 
Yeah I think your right about that. if it turns out to be that way the OP's suggestions of who scales is good. Probably ThunderGod Yoruichi aswell. We should probably leave the pre time skip stats alone though.
 
I didn't want to make another Bleach upgrade thread so I thought this might be a nice place to ask since it is open anyway and is a recent thread.


I hope you don't mind @Amlad22


Lieutenants and Fraccio

Ikkau in shikai should be multi-city block level for contending with and even injuring Ichigo who was at 8-A at the time. I also propose we upgrade the other Lieutenants and Fraccion to multi-city block level by scaling from Ikkaku and Edrad. Some of the Fraccion are rated at city block level by scaling from Edrad and yet he is rated at multi-city block. That's clearly a big mistake.


Ulquiorra, Harribel, Baragga

Resurreccion Ulquiorra's durability is listed as town level. However, given how the Reiatsu and Hierro mechanisms work in that the same level of power used for offence is also used for defence, I propose Resurreccion Ulquiorra be put at flat out city level in terms of both AP and durability and the town level thing done away with. This upgrade would apply to Harribel and Baraggan in Resurreccion as well.


Hitsugaya

Pre-time-skip Hitsugaya's profile stats are just way too convoluted. If we went about making profiles for all Bleach Lieutenants and Captains like that, their profiles too wound end up similarly convoluted. Just put him at one place and keep it simple.

I also wanted to ask about this: Cinder Fall in RWBY recently got upgraded to High 7-C since the maiden's power she took allows her to create storms which requires energy of the order of a Petajoule or more. Hitsugaya has shown the ability to create storm-like conditions on at least two occasions with his Zanpakuto over a town sized area. Would a High 7-C upgrade for him be okay? I always thought he should be at this level (and also with at least town to large town level durability) for fighting Harribel as long as he did. I also do not think he should be weaker than Lisa and Mashiro.

If High 7-C Hitsugaya is accepted, then these people also scale:

Pre-time-skip Ichigo

Pre-time-skip Byakuya Kuchiki

Pre-time-skip Zaraki

Probably pre-time-skip Komamura

Tosen?

Espada numbered 7 and up (Zommari contended with Byakuya)


Speaking of Komamura

Why is he at city block level in base in terms of AP and even durability? His shikai and bankai do not magically increase his own body's durability from base. The guy has fought Zaraki (albeit off-screen) and is one of the physically stronger captains according to Kubo's stat charts. His durability in base should be town level (large town if my proposed Hitsugaya upgrade is accepted) regardless of whether he's using a sealed Zanpakuto or Shikai or Bankai.
 
Hitsugaya creating storm clouds may be something calc worthy, probably higher then high 7-C as they often yield high results, (A feat like this in pokemon got mountain level, iirc) I believe Hitsuguya can control the weather upto 12 kilometres away in any givn direction, I think he said?

Definitely think thats calc worthy.
 
He stated that his effective range for weather control is 7 ri

1 Japanese ri = 3.927 km

So 7 ri = 27.489 km

But whether this is radius or diameter is what I don't properly remember.

PS: I always thought Hitsugaya should have higher stats anyway. He just seems not all that powerful due to always getting the short straw when it comes to opponents. He's an unlucky little bastard.
 
Yeah. It has really affected his status among fans. I mean, I've seen people claiming that Matured Bankai Hitsugaya would lose to Ulquiorra. Wut?

Though why should Ikkaku be Multi City Block for facing Ichigo? He's only that level with Getsuga Tenshō or when Zangetsu intervenes in the battle like his fight with Kenpachi.
 
LordAizenSama said:
Yeah I think your right about that. if it turns out to be that way the OP's suggestions of who scales is good. Probably ThunderGod Yoruichi aswell. We should probably leave the pre time skip stats alone though.
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Are you saying that we can make the changes?
 
@SoldierBlue I agree with most of what you're saying. Although I'm not sure if all fraction and lieutenant should be upgraded.
 
My bad I meant to say 5

Using this the final value on the low end is 18.6 Gigatons divided by 5. We then get 3.72 Gigatons for the low end which is still large mountain level. We can still revise the calc to see if anything was messed up but this is an aceepted calc so there should be no reason to doubt Lille having a mountain to large mountain rating
 
Just make a blog using the image use for the pixel scaling of the cities and the numbers. You just have to remove that part from the original calc, and be sure to link it and posted in a blog and then make a content revision thread about it.
 
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