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BSM Naruto's durability and Obito's speed.

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Naruto's durability is At least Island level for withstanding a slam from Obito's chakra arms. However, on Obito's page, he's Country level for casually ripping apart the Hokage's barrier with his chakra arms so shouldn't Naruto's durability be Country level?

Also, shouldn't Obito be MHS+ since Kakashi has that level of speed with the remnants of Obito's Six Paths chakra?
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Naruto's durability is At least Island level for withstanding a slam from Obito's chakra arms. However, on Obito's page, he's Country level for casually ripping apart the Hokage's barrier with his chakra arms so shouldn't Naruto's durability be Country level?
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I agree with this.

Burning Full Fingers said:
Also, shouldn't Obito be MHS+ since Kakashi has that level of speed with the remnants of Obito's Six Paths chakra?
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Obito doesn't have Six Paths chakra. That was the power of the Juubi, which he lost. Technically Obito reacted to Kaguya's attack but this seems to be an inconsistency that will likely just cause havoc on the speed ratings.

(Also, what was described in the OP could simply be the chakra boost gained by the mixture of Obito's chakra being added to his own, not solely reflective on Obito alone).
 
Crossmaker, you do know that area of effect alone is not indicative of one's attack power right? For example, Aldebaran armor from Mushoku Tensei survived getting blasted with an attack that split a supercontinent into two continents, creating an ocean in the middle, and it still got wrecked by Orsted's sword when he bothered to get off his office to deal with it.

Also, ninjas in Naruto can amp their weapons to degrees higher than what it should be able to do normally. The ninja that always smoked showed that when he threw his knife-knuckles hybrid weapon through some trees and stopped at a rock.
 
Gemmysaur , I didn't remember any character explain this about swords in Naruto verse. in same cases the cut potence can be upgrade using chacra, but in no one of these cases have indication of chacra. Besides that, Edo Madara, one of the more powerfull character in the ver was serious injuried by Guy with atacks clearly way than Country Level.

Ele2


You can see that the circunference is so small to Country level. If we considerate Country level attack, so Meliodas needs a upgrade for Muti Continent, cause he have a similar feat will so biggers circunference.
 
Gemmysaur said:
Also, ninjas in Naruto can amp their weapons to degrees higher than what it should be able to do normally. The ninja that always smoked showed that when he threw his knife-knuckles hybrid weapon through some trees and stopped at a rock.
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You're talking about Asuma? His trech knives were a special kind of metal IIRC, could be wrong though.
 
@Crossmaker:

I suggest not typing with all your words in bold as it is proving difficult to read for me.

Chakra does not need to be visible to be in use. Case to prove the point: their clothing that should've been destroyed and thus had us read through superhumans fighting naked, Minato cutting through Hachibi's tentacle with a simple swipe of his kunai, any Doton earth wall jutsu that blocks attacks that it shouldn't have (not like there's proof that chakra remains after it was pulled up from the ground, same case with weapons, there's no proof that there's chakra other than that it proves to be stronger than it should be).

Also, to quote:

A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces.

Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent. Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends upon the energy output of the attack, not the area of effect of the attack.

Source: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency

Area of effect = / = Power level of attack

Melodias is irrelevant here.

@ScarletFly:

Having a special kind of metal won't really matter if it can be blocked by regular kunai despite being able to pierce through multiple trees.
 
Gemmysaur said:
@ScarletFly:

Having a special kind of metal won't really matter if it can be blocked by regular kunai despite being able to pierce through multiple trees.
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Fair point.
 
Read my previous post, specifically the quoted parts.

Area of effect is not equal to the attack power. You can only be limited to the area of your sword in area of effect, but you can also plausibly hurt a guy who can tank a continental attack.

Toneri has a multi-continental feat of cutting the moon in half, but he gets beaten by KCSM Naruto whose punch only had an area of effect the size of the sword itself, not even the length as he punched the tip, and he still overpowers, punching through said moon cutter jutsu.

Any other argument regarding area of effect determining the attack power of an attack is invalid unless provided with good evidence, which you, Fhujiman04 and Crossmaker do not have.
 
Gemmysaur, sorry disagree again, but Meliodas is relevant to my point. Madara was serious hurt by a attack with significant less potency than Country level. So he isn't country level durable. I use Meliodas like example cause of similarities. Meliodas attack have so much AoE than Guy's attacks, I agree with you that Dc =/= Aoe, But Meliodas Dc was superior too since he made a hole significantly larger and deeper than the guy attack and was considerate just Island Level. Why Guy's attack can have superior potence or Country level?
 
@Crossmaker Madara was able to survive attacks from Naruto and Sasuke (while having six paths sage chakra) and he was superior to six paths Obito who also had a few good durability feats so in order for Guy's attacks to have any effect on Madara they should be on a comperable level.
 
Prove that the attack has significantly less potency, with the fact that area of effect = / = attack power in mind.

Melodias is irrelevant, even with similarities as he is not part of the discussion, nor is he of the same verse.

Regarding why Gai has such high AP, look back on what Madara survived prior to getting murked by Gates-amped Taijutsu.
 
AoE is just different than DC in explosions, when you make a Hole by force AoE = DC.

More proves than that? I alheady proved, Superior circunference, deeper = Just Island Level

Less circunference, shallow = Country level?? Make sense for you???
 
Kkapoios said:
@Crossmaker Madara was able to survive attacks from Naruto and Sasuke (while having six paths sage chakra) and he was superior to six paths Obito who also had a few good durability feats so in order for Guy's attacks to have any effect on Madara they should be on a comperable level.
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Just because of Regen, no durability /:
 
Nope he has taken hits from Naruto and survived before he started regenerating, also his Durability can be powerscaled from Naruto and Sasuke.

@Crossmaker His Attack Potency is POWERSCALED to that level, his feats don't show it.
 
@Kkpoios nah, in that Guy attack he have a lot of internal hurts and just survive cause of regen, he was hurt by a normal sword too.

Madara had some Country levels feats in DC, but in in Durabilitty or phisycally he didnt, any one in Naruto verse have
 
Madara didn't even display his Regenerationn until Sasuke cut him in half (and stabbed him in the chest). Where are these "only from Regenerationn" comments even coming from?
 
Hello and welcome to the wikia @Crossmaker

I'll issue a warning, since you appear to have a complete disregard for the following: powerscaling, attack potency and grammar. I suggest that you heed my advice and check out the links, otherwise it could lead to a ban.
 
TheMightyRegulator he didn't need show, if he had regen he will use.

Austrian-Man-Meat , I understant this, I questioned Naruto phisycal abilities and anyone can debate this with me, I show a lot of proves and people just show wank here. I know about Narutos DC and agree in DC Naruto is Country/Continent but in Physical stats and durability this is far bellow. Guy is a more powerfull phisycal Character in Naruto and hurt people with Town/City level attacks. For me it is just wank, Any one here show any prove, unlike me.
 
@Croosmaker Once again since it seems that i didn't make myself clear, Naruto stopped the attack that cut the moon in half with his hand and he also survived this while in base
 
He regained his body when he was fighting the Tailed Beasts. Also, were we not talking about Rikoudo Madara when he was fighting Guy? Clearly completely alive.
 
Crossmaker said:
Austrian-Man-Meat , I understant this, I questioned Naruto phisycal abilities and anyone can debate this with me, I show a lot of proves and people just show wank here. I know about Narutos DC and agree in DC Naruto is Country/Continent but in Physical stats and durability this is far bellow. Guy is a more powerfull phisycal Character in Naruto and hurt people with Town/City level attacks. For me it is just wank, Any one here show any prove, unlike me.
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Firstly, I'd appreciate if you stop lumping in the various other moderators/admins points to "wank" it's incredibly arrogant of you. Secondly, KKapoios's point proves that his (Naruto's) durability goes hand in hand with his attack potency (here is the point, as I doubt you actually read 3/4ths of the points presented here) "also Naruto stopped a Multi Continent level attack with his hand without any damage." And thirdly, fix up your grammar. It's to the point where I find it hard to tell what your points are.

Repeat this again, and I'll have to escalate things. So please, only reply if you have something worthwhile to say.
 
Kkapoios said:
@Croosmaker Once again since it seems that i didn't make myself clear, Naruto stopped the attack that cut the moon in half with his hand and he also survived this while in base
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Thats not true, He put all Bijuu Chacra in his hand before touch Toneri's sword
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Crossmaker said:
Austrian-Man-Meat , I understant this, I questioned Naruto phisycal abilities and anyone can debate this with me, I show a lot of proves and people just show wank here. I know about Narutos DC and agree in DC Naruto is Country/Continent but in Physical stats and durability this is far bellow. Guy is a more powerfull phisycal Character in Naruto and hurt people with Town/City level attacks. For me it is just wank, Any one here show any prove, unlike me.
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Firstly, I'd appreciate if you stop lumping in the various other moderators/admins points to "wank" it's incredibly arrogant of you. Secondly, KKapoios's point proves that his (Naruto's) durability goes hand in hand with his attack potency (here is the point, as I doubt you actually read 3/4ths of the points presented here) "also Naruto stopped a Multi Continent level attack with his hand without any damage." And thirdly, fix up your grammar. It's to the point where I find it hard to tell what your points are.
Repeat this again, and I'll have to escalate things. So please, only reply if you have something worthwhile to say.
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He didn't prove nothing, Naruto use all his Bijuu chacra in his hand before touch his attack, like you can see in & minutes and 10, is not a durability feat. Besides that, english is not my firt language

Naruto VS Toneri
Naruto VS Toneri
 
He used the power of his transformation. We can clearly see it recede into his fist. He also took the same "sword" head on when Toneri cut the Moon in two.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
He used the power of his transformation. We can clearly see it recede into his fist. He also took the same "sword" head on when Toneri cut the Moon in two.
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so is not durabilitty feat and just people with cloack bijuu chackra can made this.
 
@Everyone else Please it's understandable that some people don't know english as much as others (and that includes myself) so let's not argue about that.

@Crossmaker Yes that was his chakra cloak and guess what acts as an armor for him most of the time...his chakra cloak.

Once again look at their overall feats.

I'm closing this thread and i suggest you permanently drop this subject otherwise i'll have to ban you for a while (nothing personal).
 
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