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A guy with 8 Stands vs a guy with 8 Hearts

On the one hand, Mario could destroy him on a level beyond what his Regenerationn can handle, with a tap. On the other hand, BtD and D4CU basically mean that killing him conventionally is essentially meaningless. Completely damning Mario of course is UNDERSTAND which basically means that the moment the fight begins, all of Mario's powers and resistances will have been copied and improved upon rendering them useless against Kars. Of course he could feasibly win if he one-shot both Kars and D4CU at the same time but I doubt he'd nuke the immediate area to kill Kars since he isn't aware that D4CU could bring in another Kars.

Not voting as of yet but leaning on Kars.
 
Uniasha said:
Kars has more potent haxes and he could make himself more powerful than mario
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Not if Mario one shots/BFRs him

Mid-High regen can't help against a guy over infinite times stronger than you
 
StrymULTRA said:
Uniasha said:
Kars has more potent haxes and he could make himself more powerful than mario
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Not if Mario one shots/BFRs him
Mid-High regen can't help against a guy over infinite times stronger than you
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with bites the dust and D4C constantly active...i dount that
 
What the hell is Kars supposed to be able to do to Mario here? Even if Mario can't kill Kars, Kars has no way of killing Mario at all.
 
Sir Ovens said:
What the hell is Kars supposed to be able to do to Mario here? Even if Mario can't kill Kars, Kars has no way of killing Mario at all.
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Kars can soul manip him with Whitesnake Ultimate
 
Sir Ovens said:
What the hell is Kars supposed to be able to do to Mario here? Even if Mario can't kill Kars, Kars has no way of killing Mario at all.
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I'd like to know why is incon
 
Actually yeah, nothing says Kars can't BFR Mario for like a week or something, mario's been put on his ass or had adventures that lasted longer before.
 
And that somehow stops Multiversal+ BFR how? You do know each universe tends to have their own space-time right?
 
DatOneWeeb said:
Time travel.
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While trapped in another timestream? Or has Mario shown to move through a multiversal+ space-time before? Because without that, he doesn't have the range for it to be effective.
 
How does Kars not stomp again? He either resists everything Mario can do, or he just comes back with D4CU or BtD. While all Kars has to do is time stop and whitesnake him to win, which is also one of his first moves.

Most of Mario's powers aren't explained, so if there's something on his profile I'm not seeing, this is looks to be a missmatch.
 
Ogbunabali said:
How does Kars not stomp again? He either resists everything Mario can do, or he just comes back with D4CU or BtD. While all Kars has to do is time stop and whitesnake him to win, which is also one of his first moves.
Most of Mario's powers aren't explained, so if there's something on his profile I'm not seeing, this is looks to be a missmatch.
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exactly
 
idk, Mario does one shot (Although have fun getting around D4CU or just Kars phasing through attacks that are tangible like Funny did, by teleporting chunks of himself to have attacks pass right through him) and has fate hax that prevents permadeath. But that doesn't really stop D4CU just BFRing for a week, possibly even Whitesnake input commands given how obtuse it is.
 
Okay, why are we just saying that he BFRs for a week. How does that work? Does he just send him somewhere and pull him out a week later? Also, besides the Pure Hearts, what items does Mario get?
 
Because he drops his ass into a universe who knows how far away, then he just waits a week and wins as BFR'ing for a week is a win condition as per SBA.

And given Mario has gone weeks if not longer before without rescuing Peach or anythiung like that, it's not gonna be prevented.

Pure Hearts don't allow Mario to come back instantly or anything like that so not really helping.

>what items does Mario get?

Literally just his standard. None of which actually help a whole lot.
 
Chariot190 said:
Because he drops his ass into a universe who knows how far away, then he just waits a week and wins as BFR'ing for a week is a win condition as per SBA.
And given Mario has gone weeks if not longer before without rescuing Peach or anythiung like that, it's not gonna be prevented.

Pure Hearts don't allow Mario to come back instantly or anything like that so not really helping.

>what items does Mario get?

Literally just his standard. None of which actually help a whole lot.
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yep
 
No, if his BFR is something Mario won't be able to escape according to you, that won't be working on him then. If Mario is stuck on this other universe with no means of escaping, then he will never save Peach again. Which his fate manipulation prevents.
 
Not how it works, hell, pretty sure the fate manip specifically only accounts for if Peach is kidnapped again, if she's never kidnapped again, the fate manip is useless. There's no Mario has to infinitely rescue Peach forever, it's Mario has to rescue Peach if she ever gets put in danger.

I'd also like to point out Kars resists fate manipulation.
 
>specifically only accounts for if Peach is kidnapped again

So we're just going to assume Bowser, King Boo, or literally anyone else just never decides to kidnap or harm Peach again? That's completely bullshit. Of course Peach would get in danger again, it's basically inevitable.

Where does he even resist it? He has limited fate manipulation, but I see no resistances on his profile.
 
If we're actually going to treat outside forces into this as an actual guranteed hypothesis thatw ill absolutely happen and effect the match. Then nothing is stopping Kars from just creating a few billion copies of himself to go protect Peach at all times so she would never be in danger again snipping the issue at the bud, or just BFR Koopa and Boo too given he can do that, hell, he'd actually have a super easy time defeating them in their standard forms given they dont resist any of his main powers.

In his resistance section?

Resistance to: Radiation Manipulation, Extreme Cold, Explosion Manipulation, Fate Manipulation (Killer Queen's primary and third bomb did not affect Kars whatsoever, no matter the intensity of the explosion. Kars's fated outcome also never occurred), Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation (Has 37 souls within his body and can survive soul Destruction, and each of those individual Kars have countless other mind/soul discs inside them as well. Capable of functioning without his mind)

That's ignoring Kars' adaption gives him new resistances all the time.
 
Does it matter? Nothing is stopping Kars from making use of his adaption to just get a better resistance given that's well within his capabilities. (Especially because we already know he can adapt a resistance to fate manip).

Also has absolutely zero effect on Kars BFR'ing him, or Whitesnake because Mario sure as hell doesn't resist anything it can do.
 
What the ****? Are we just saying Kars is aware on how to prevent Mario's fate manipulation now? Peach being kidnapped and into consideration isn't outside forces, otherwise Mario's fate manipulation would be outright useless. This fight isn't gonna take place into their locations, but Bowser is sure as hell going to kidnap Peach given the amount of time. So no, BFR is not a win option in this case. Since Mario cannot escape, this interferes with his fate manipulation.

As for Mario's wincons, what stops his from one-shotting? He has perception manipulation to basically ensure a hit. And assuming Mario gets his full equipment. He can seal which automatically locks on to an opponent an immobilizes them before sealing, transmute which doesn't require hitting his opponents, AoE sleep manipulation, wishing his opponent away, etc.
 
DatOneWeeb said:
What the ****? Are we just saying Kars is aware on how to prevent Mario's fate manipulation now? Peach being kidnapped and into consideration isn't outside forces, otherwise Mario's fate manipulation would be outright useless. This fight isn't gonna take place into their locations, but Bowser is sure as hell going to kidnap Peach given the amount of time. So no, BFR is not a win option in this case. Since Mario cannot escape, this interferes with his fate manipulation.
As for Mario's wincons, what stops his from one-shotting? He has perception manipulation to basically ensure a hit. And assuming Mario gets his full equipment. He can seal which automatically locks on to an opponent an immobilizes them before sealing, transmute which doesn't require hitting his opponents, AoE sleep manipulation, wishing his opponent away, etc.
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you do realise to go one shot kars allows him to copy everything mario has and killing kars once is easy if it wasnt for D4C and bites the dust being passive the entire time which turns the difficulty level hellish
 
Yeah why not, dude can figure out impossible to know things at a glance, why wouldn't he figure it out? We already know he's more than capable of finding out things he had no way of knowing, it's even pointed out by Funny that Kars managed to figure out something despite having no information or leads or anything that would lead Kars to that conclusion. Pretty sure he was supposed to get Cosmic Awareness for that actually.

>Peach being kidnapped and into consideration isn't outside forces, otherwise Mario's fate manipulation would be outright useless.

I mean, if his fate manip is based entirely on a well maybe this would happen agai, doesnt really seem 100% usable. At best the most you could say is maybe it'd trigger.

>As for Mario's wincons, what stops his from one-shotting?

D4CU making physical attacks useless along with Kars adapting resistances to various powers and haxes but also D4CU swapping Kars out with one of infinite other Kars. Hence his various types of immortality.

>He has perception manipulation to basically ensure a hit.

Implying Mario's perception manip would so mcuh as inconveince the character who has all the senses of every species on the planet, on steroids. You know how many different ways Kars could figure out where Mario is and his attacks even if he was blind, deaf, and couldn't feel? Multiple ways. Also D4CU could just swap Kars out. Or Kars could, just like, adapt a resistance to it.

>And assuming Mario gets his full equipment.

You assume wrong pal, may as well assume Kars has the requiem arrows in that case, not like he didnt make them.

>He can seal which automatically locks on to an opponent an immobilizes them before sealing,

Kars actually has counters to sealing with BTD. And immonilization isn't helpful when, again, D4CU can just swap him.

>transmute which doesn't require hitting his opponents

Kars can literally melt Mario into goo without touching him, or use BTD to light him up from across a country because Novel BTD is broken as ****. And transmutating the character who has astral projection as something within his book of powers he can adapt (Scaling off a normal human in the novel) ain't gonna help put him down, also BTD and D4CU swapping Kars to a new one.

> AoE sleep manipulation

Kars has the same thing, along with dream manipulation, illusion creation and melting foes into acid at a distance.

>wishing his opponent away

D4CU swapping, now Kars probably resists it because he got hit by it and now understands it.

You do realize every Kars doesn't even need to fight Mario right? He can send perfect copies of himself to fight, multiple, numerous, as many as he wants, if he wanted he could give them all D4CU as well as he can copy his abilities and give them to others. And if Kars dies, he gets replaced by another alternate universe Kars by D4CU.

Ignoring the fact that Kars would likely pick up on Mario's threat level at a glance and react accordingly. I'd also like to point out Kars passively copies powers and abilities.

Also nothing is stopping Kars from inputting a command into Mario saying that he can't harm Kars, because Whitesnake has that power much like Heaven's Door.
 
DatOneWeeb said:
As for Mario's wincons, what stops his from one-shotting? He has perception manipulation to basically ensure a hit. And assuming Mario gets his full equipment. He can seal which automatically locks on to an opponent an immobilizes them before sealing, transmute which doesn't require hitting his opponents, AoE sleep manipulation, wishing his opponent away, etc.
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I hope you realize that UNDERSTAND happens the moment Kars is aware that Mario is even there and even if he somehow didn't adapt resistances to Mario's stuff, D4CU just gets hops over to another universe and gives another Kars all of the original's memories and powers. From that point, he just adapts to it anyway and Idk Whitesnakes him or something.
 
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