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Fairy Tail Hundred Year Quest Discussion Thread 13
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Also the U1 was destroyed and recreated when it was compressed, and compression would be a value of destruction for pulverization since we saw tiny specks or rubble appearing during the change.
But again, it is not about it being DSM, it is about it being magic and how it requires concentration, his reaction is from the attack that would have hurt him in his current state, he does not make that reaction before as he would just feel sick, if it would do nothing he would just not bother at all.Zackra1799 said:
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Should Wolfen get it's own profile? Or should it be slotted as another key into Aldoron's profile, since it seems to be some kind of antibody?
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Probably a key if it's part of him.
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Makes sense
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Her not doing it physically doesn't matter lol. She is still using her Magic power to do it.The Calaca said:
GPE being a "collateral" affect is not a counter either. Lifting an object changes the GPE of the object as well and that is a "collateral" affect of lifting the object, I don't even know why you thought it is a relevant counter.
In case of lifting an object, distance from the centre of the earth is changing while here, the mass of the object is changing. They're both collateral affects of some actions.
We solve them both using energy conservation equations
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And she's not doing any of those things. As you said, the GPE of a lifted object is a collateral effect just like how it is for size shifting it.
Size Manipulation has no value and you already said that the GPE change isn't what Brandish does. There's no value for changing the size of something no matter how hard you argue for it without discovering a reliable formula.
GPE is a no, and the PE of the Island lifting isn't done by her but a rock she increased in size.
Size Manipulation has no value and you already said that the GPE change isn't what Brandish does. There's no value for changing the size of something no matter how hard you argue for it without discovering a reliable formula.
GPE is a no, and the PE of the Island lifting isn't done by her but a rock she increased in size.
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We use PE for Lifting objects. Either that or KE.
None works for Brandish.
None works for Brandish.
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Brandish changes the PE of an object she shrinks. And that change in PE is the change in GPE.
Just like how the change in PE while lifting something is the change in GPE
In Brandish's case, she does work against Gravity and increases the object's PE by changing it's Mass. (PE is relative. Change in PE is what matters. You can assign the PE of an object on ground as 100023J if you want to, nothing wrong with it. But the PE would be higher when you lift it or decrease the mass that's all)
In Lifting, we do work against Gravity and increase the object's PE by changing it's distance from the centre of the earth.
They both involve doing work against Gravity and changing the PE of an object. I guess I am as clear as I could be this time.
If it still doesn't work, then sure ig
Just like how the change in PE while lifting something is the change in GPE
In Brandish's case, she does work against Gravity and increases the object's PE by changing it's Mass. (PE is relative. Change in PE is what matters. You can assign the PE of an object on ground as 100023J if you want to, nothing wrong with it. But the PE would be higher when you lift it or decrease the mass that's all)
In Lifting, we do work against Gravity and increase the object's PE by changing it's distance from the centre of the earth.
They both involve doing work against Gravity and changing the PE of an object. I guess I am as clear as I could be this time.
If it still doesn't work, then sure ig
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Wow, new thread already... we really blew through the last one
On another note, you would not multiply Natsu's rating by 100,000,000 to get Aldron's AP, it was his HP that was that high, there's no correlation between HP and AP, you would need to find out how much damage Aldoron can do to himself in one attack for the multiplier to be legit
On another note, you would not multiply Natsu's rating by 100,000,000 to get Aldron's AP, it was his HP that was that high, there's no correlation between HP and AP, you would need to find out how much damage Aldoron can do to himself in one attack for the multiplier to be legit
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HP would be the equivalent of stamina rather than dura. All we know is that his dura is far higher than Natsu's AP and around Acno's.
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Theory Time, What if Natsu plan is to let the tree's make like 99,999,999 copies of himself.
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Instead of the Uranus cannons and Ignia's statement, the Council should have dropped their own Etherion only to fail. Gives the perfect excuse to draw enormous collateral if everything is gone.
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Etherion has been gone since Tower of Heaven (that is why Alvarez has the guts to invade Ishgar after all aside from Face has also been gone since Tartarus), the Council can no longer fire it anymore.AnonymousBlank said:
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On another note, you would not multiply Natsu's rating by 100,000,000 to get Aldron's AP, it was his HP that was that high, there's no correlation between HP and AP, you would need to find out how much damage Aldoron can do to himself in one attack for the multiplier to be legit
I don't think anyone suggested that.
But one might say you would need 100,000,000x(Natsu's AP) to one hit KO Aldoron or that anyone who might be able to one hit KO could be scaled to it.
I don't think anyone suggested that.
But one might say you would need 100,000,000x(Natsu's AP) to one hit KO Aldoron or that anyone who might be able to one hit KO could be scaled to it.
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That means Natsu would have to be 1 Exaton to one-shot Aldoron, that does work with the math
But sadly we hae no idea how much Aldoron's power would do to himself, like he should be able do at least 2,000 damage to himself, that would make sense with the scaling
But sadly we hae no idea how much Aldoron's power would do to himself, like he should be able do at least 2,000 damage to himself, that would make sense with the scaling
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Tfw when people try to correct you on what you said but they didn't even pay attention to the words. I said "their ow Etherion" ie whatever equivalent they could have had considering their tech level and wealth is greater than Ishgar's from the little we see. Better Jupiter's, better airships than Alvarez, a standing navy etc. I was presenting a hypothetical that the author could have gone with to make it easier for big feats which was fairly obvious but people want to nitpick something that wasn't even said instead.
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Irene adds her magic power to the ground and changes it, that's how she makes Universe One, Then she could blow it up instead of making Universe One ? she has already done this on a much smaller scale
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^Maybe, but she didn't do that, so it's unusable
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I already said it though? Meh. Perceive me how you want. Opinions exist for a reason.
Still don't get why U1 is treated as hax. Prep sure but she specifically compressed Fiore to 1/20th the size altering the landscape all over the place. That should be an AP feat no matter how you cut it seeing as it isn't size manip like Command T.
Still don't get why U1 is treated as hax. Prep sure but she specifically compressed Fiore to 1/20th the size altering the landscape all over the place. That should be an AP feat no matter how you cut it seeing as it isn't size manip like Command T.
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never did, but she really added her magical power to Fiore's soil and could manipulate him at will
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It's hax, because after Irene died, the country returned to normal, there wasn't any actual lasting damage, meaning that there was no physical moving of said landmass, it was all basically a teleportation feat, which sadly does not qualify for a legit AP feat
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Big gey. Now I want ghost Irene to do it just to show being alive has nothing to do with it and she just reversed of her own accord.
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But she didn't actually pulverize or compress the country, it was mere teleportation, everything returned to normal after Irene died, so no actual damage or physical power was done
It doesn't qualify as an AP feat
It doesn't qualify as an AP feat
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I'm so tired of this very same discussion...
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