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Kingdom Hearts Abstract Stuffs CRT

Elizhaa

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I went back and look back on the CRT that accepted the abstract stuff that looks to be the basis of KH big upgrades recently. I believe none of the evaluating staff did agree with an upgrade. The verse might need a big downgrade: I found the two influential CRTs: 1 and 2

The changes should be reverted to all the pages. It looks like everything from Abstract Existence, Conceptual Manipulation, Immortality additions, Immortality Negation, Regenerationn and Regenerationn Negation at Mid-Godly and Up should be removed.

Edit: Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2) should be downgraded to Type 1 for Nobodies since its additions were supporters by hearts being abstract.


Additionally, the Nobody Physiology, Dream Eater Physiology, Heartless Physiology should get the changes applied to them.

Profiles here would be affected:

 
Interesting, if it was added to the profiles without majority staff approval it should be removed. Not sure how something like this has gone undetected though.
 
It didn't entirely go undetected as I've been trying to remove it with...varied results.
 
I'll stick around and see everyone's thoughts first before making a decision but this is definitely interesting
 
@Dragon

I think they mistook your word "This seems fine at a glance" and applied it

I'm not saying it's your fault, but I think that's where the misunderstanding came from
 
I'm also going to wait but for now I'll agree with the notion that changes that haven't actually been properly accepted should be removed. That being said are we also going to discuss the abilities in question or is this redundant due to there already being two threads for that?
 
I just read the second thread and

What the actual hell happened? Did Bob not notify any staff of this second thread?
 
Schnee One said:
@Dragon
I think they mistook your word "This seems fine at a glance" and applied it

I'm not saying it's your fault, but I think that's where the misunderstanding came from
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You mean that first thread as I retracted my vote from that

"Sera is making sense to me. By this I agree that this isn't Coneptual Destruction."

And I didn't appear at all in that last thread. And assuming I did agree, my word alone after all the people going against it at the end would not have been cause for the upgrade.
 
That makes me sort of curious about what made this actually go through.
 
I know that, I just think that's where the misunderstanding came from (Also that got utterly buried in that mess of thread)

I just said that
 
Although, I do blame myself for disconnecting with the franchise on this wiki as a whole.
 
Nehz XZX said:
That makes me sort of curious about what made this actually go through.
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I want to know if the profiles were unlocked prior to those edits
 
It's perfectly possible to simply edit them as a user without someone else unlocking it as far as I can tell.
 
If this is the case then I agree with removing them.

Also can I ask about Vanitas's High-Godly regen, like as in where did it come from?
 
I have been curious about that as well and planned to make a thread asking about that when there are less KH threads around.
 
JoshSSJGod said:
If this is the case then I agree with removing them.

Also can I ask about Vanitas's High-Godly regen, like as in where did it come from?
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Iirc, his heart was destroyed, and because hearts are apparently concepts, his concept was destroyed.
 
Iirc, his heart was destroyed, and because hearts are apparently concepts, his concept was destroyed.

So him being in KHIII even though his Heart was destroyed in BBS? Re:Mind completely negates that as we find out he is from the past like Ansem and Mansex.
 
Are we going to discuss whether or not hearts really qualify as concepts or is no further discussion needed?
 
Even with hearts being concepts, it shouldn't be that high, as what really happened was that he wasn't completely erased. His thoughts and feelings remained after his destruction and that's what became the Vanitas Remnant.
 
Okay, with this High-Godly Regenerationn definitely has to go unless there is an alternate justification I don't know about.
 
Maybe I made some mistake and accepted a revision? I do not remember so well.

If the revisions were inaccurate they should be reverted though.
 
First of all, the High-Godly is based on the Vanitas Remnant, which recovered on that fashion and all of that.

Second, we can see in the first thread that it was indeed being agreed on by Sera and a good chunk of regular users, there's disagreements as usual, which is why I mentioned in the second thread to feel free to continue debating against it if anyone wanted, which wasn't the case, especially when you notice that the discussion on the first thread shifting from it being accepted to the implications this would have on profiles (Which the second thread also followed in), meaning that indeed, this was accepted and all, you don't need blatant "FRAs" when the actions really imply they were accepted, now, if they are simply inaccurate for whatever reason, another CRT to discuss it once more could be done before purging profiles from all the stuff.

I even linked to the next thread to avoid it being lost by most, but I guess that didn't go as smoothly as I hoped.
 
A good amount of the knowledgeable people who are most knowledgeable on the revisions subjects such as myself, Giver, and Speedster don't care what happens on these threads anymore. I've personally been too drained and have wasted hours of my time arguing over what I would think would be the most simple things people should know as debaters. Have Bob handle this because the rest of us don't have the time or energy to deal with the amount of flack Kingdom Hearts gets on this wiki.

The heart being abstract was being discussed I thought with Cal over Discord but I guess not.
 
@Bob I'm not familiar with the verse, but when rereading the thread, it looked like Sera agreed with Vanitas having Mid Godly and Mid Godly regen null resistance. While she disagreed with concept manip, and disagreed Mid Godly in some other vague context. Saying that she was agreeing with you and it was "accepted and all" is really misleading considering that you added stuff she disagreed with.

You didn't do enough to get the new thread out. The thread was already locked and wasn't bumped so nobody saw the edit to the OP, and no staff came into the thread either so it seems like they weren't called in.
 
What would be the exact reasoning for that?
 
I mean if you want to ban Bob, you might as well delete the profiles. He's the only one willing to actually defend this stuff. It would be as simple as X user proposing a downgrade and it goes through because nobody will care enough to argue against it/you would have banned the people who did.
 
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