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- Standard Battle Assumptions (Speed's equalized. Hero's Chi Po. Edit: KFP3 Po)
- Po: 2 (GyroNutz, Litentric Teo)
- Miraculer: 1 (Gilad Hyperstar)
- Incon:
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Kai's absorbation is much weaker than hers though, while he's 8-B (which fits given how he stomped Po without Chi but gets stomped when Po have his chi), Sabrina is 8-A, and she scales massively above 240 Tons, that, and she stole the powers of 4 heroes without any difficulty.GyroNutz said:Po can make chi constructs around himself, which probably helps against Sabrina's power absorption.
Also, arguably, she wouldn't be able to absorb Po's powers, since a fair few of his powers come from chi, and Kai was unable to absorb even a portion of MoC Po's chi.
True, but even all of their chi combined is still far below 8-A Po, and also far below Miraculer who is 8-A herself, so it doesn't mean she couldn't absorb Po's chi as well.GyroNutz said:I mean, chi isn't necessarily linked to power. For instance, members of the panda village have unnaturally high chi reserves despite being physically weak + unfit, and Kai was going to absorb the chi of the entire panda village. He's also shown zero reprecussions from absorbing the chi of every kung-fu master in China (bar Po and Tigress), as well as Master Oogway.
Kai was unable to absorb Po's Heroe Chi because it was to much for him to actually handle. This case isn't applicable to Miraculer.GyroNutz said:Also, arguably, she wouldn't be able to absorb Po's powers, since a fair few of his powers come from chi, and Kai was unable to absorb even a portion of MoC Po's chi.
No.Gilad Hyperstar said:Is base Miraculer is used?
Yes, but she power-nulls him with a single touch. So even if Po will resurrect, he'll still only be 8-B Po, who can't harm herGyroNutz said:"Miraculer has pretty much shown to be able to absorb energies (Cat Noir's Cataclysm destructive energy) with a much higher output than Heroes Chi."
I'm confused by this. The way you're wording this, it's like you concede that chi isn't really related to AP but then say that absorbing Cataclysm is more impressive than the Hero's Chi because it has higher AP? Yes, chi is described as energy, but it's not a physical energy that can be measured in joules.
Regardless, if she one-shots Po he can resurrect and lead with his hax, knowing that Miraculer is a threat.
And after that, Miraculer could Mimic his powers with his stolen chi, so even if he regenerates his Chi she'd still be able to use it against him. Also, she have Shell-ter to protect herself from him tooGyroNutz said:Po can regain his Hero's Chi in the Spirit Realm, becoming an 8-A again.
I don't get why.GyroNutz said:"Miraculer has pretty much shown to be able to absorb energies (Cat Noir's Cataclysm destructive energy) with a much higher output than Heroes Chi."
Ok. That explains it. But she still have a variety of powers to take him down, and he can't travel to the spirit world on his own in his 8-B form, so even if Miraculer kills him a couple of times, eventually she'll learn that he'll keep coming back, and just incaps him by power-nulling him so that he won't be able to harm her. She'll also get his Chi powers if she touches him, so she would have some of his abilities in his 8-A form tooSuper Ascended Sean Pazdera said:When a kung fu master dies, they get sent to the Spirit Realm. People like Po can travel from the Spirit Realm to Earth over and over again. Even in the series this is treated as "dying and coming back".
He can actually, via the Wuxi Finger Hold.Gilad Hyperstar said:Ok. That explains it. But she still have a variety of powers to take him down, and he can't travel to the spirit world on his own in his 8-B form, so even if Miraculer kills him a couple of times, eventually she'll learn that he'll keep coming back, and just incaps him by power-nulling him so that he won't be able to harm her. She'll also get his Chi powers if she touches him, so she would have some of his abilities in his 8-A form too
That doesn't applies here, as her profile doesn't gives such indication.Gilad Hyperstar said:Miraculer also is much higher than the feat shown here, and might even be comaprable to Season 3 Ladybug, who had a Class G lifting strength calc
Then they just get Cataclysed.GyroNutz said:It's not that sort of sealing, it just creates "unbreakable" chi barriers around the opponent.
Rewatched the special. I'm honestly clueless about what you're talking about here. Ke-Pa wasn't sealed, his powers were taken away from him by the Peach Tree.GyroNutz said:Judging by how Ke-Pa was affected in Legends of Awesomeness, it might seal powers as well.
Can I ask what's the correlation here? Yeah, Ke-Pa was unable to break the seal that was used to to sent the demons back to underworld, but how does that change the fact that he wasn't sealed to begin with? The case you're holding up it's towards how being sealed nullified Ke-Pa's powers, my answer was that he wasn't sealed. I never mentioned the demons that were sealed by Oogway, simply because their case isn't the same.GyroNutz said:un/resealing the demons of the underworld was one of the major plot points of the episode. Ke-Pa couldn't break the barriers via force so he funnelled Po's Hero's Chi to bypass the seal.
As this is a clash of opinions, I encourage you to make a CRT to add Power Nullification to Po and Oogway under this premise.GyroNutz said:His powers were sealed though, that's why he spent the first part of the episode as a pig trying to regain his true power.
Yes, but they also stated that it was the peach tree that gave Oogway and Po the ppower to defeat Ke-Pa. They did it only with the help of the peach tree, and before that they both got stomped by Ke-PaGyroNutz said:Speculation? It's the exact same thing that happened to Po, and it's stated that Oogway was the one who defeated Ke-Pa, not the peach tree.
The powers aren't nulled, they're sealed away. This premise is already on their profiles and was accepted in a CRT. As for it being in-character, the argument is that he'd use it or another hax after resurrecting himself.