Po (Kung Fu Panda) vs Miraculer (Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir)

[Monkey_Dunno]

Yes. Speculation.

No. The case are parallels, but that doesn't means that it happened the same way. Oogway was saved by the Peach Tree before Ke-Pa could land his final blow, Po was sent to the Peach Three to get his Hero's Chi restored back, seemingly shocking Shifu when he discovered that the Peach Tree not only restored, but enhanced his abilities.

And like, even so, the power that keep his powers away from Ke-Pa wasn't Oogway's, it was always the Peach Tree's.

So they are nulled. Which is worth to point out.

Can you send the link? Skimming over KFP's CRTs and I couldn't find this case in particular.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

Blump.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[Litentric_Teon]

How skilled is Miraculer in CQC? How does she compare to Po?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Miraculer is comparable to Season 3 Ladybug and Cat Noir, who stomped someone that scales above 240 Tons of TNT

Po two-shotted Ke-Pa with Chi, and Ke-Pa is 315 Tons of TNT

But she has the powers of Ladybug, Cat Noir, Rena Rouge and Carapace, while also being able to steal Po's powers with a touch, reverting him back to 8-B

 

[Litentric_Teon]

That...doesn't answer the question.

I appreciate the run down of how strong they are, but I was asking how skilled she is in CQC. I read all of the above.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sorry, didn't understood what CQC meant

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

How skilled is Miraculer in CQC?

Miraculer, as most of Miraculous Villains, lacks of an actual fighting technique or a specific martial art. They just happen to be skilled in direct confrontation.

They scale skills through the ones obtained through (or enhanced, in Adrien and Kagami's case) a Miraculous and the years of experience that Ladybug and Cat Noir posses fighting in melee combat, also eventually having to face and successfully match the skill of Akumatized Villains whose martial skills are being enhanced and aided by their akumas.

Example: Darkblade, Riposte, Oni-Chan and Ikari Gozen are relatively talented Fencers in their civilian attire, the later being a world-class champion in her art. Or Anansi, who's at the very least an average Kickboxer in her everyday life.

Miraculer's Skill is certainly below Po's, but it's not at a point which turn it completely one-sided and has abilities that she can (and most likely, will) use to make up for the difference in skills.

TL;DR: Po has a better skill than Miraculer, but she isn't immensely below him.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Ah so CQC means skill. Yeah she's below Po in hand to hand combat + Po can fly but once she powernulls and steal his power she can:

A) Do the same as Po

B) One shot him since Po will revert to 8-B

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

^ Close Quarter Combat, actually.

And she actually needs to touch him first for that, though as of Tai Lung fight, Po may not seize the implications of letting himself be tagged by her.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Tai Lung touched Po in that fight. And it doesn't matter where Miraculer touches Po

 

[Litentric_Teon]

@Gilad

All good. Like I said before, I do appreciate the run down on how strong they are compared to each other.

@Monekey

Thank you.

I'm not sure if Po wants to get that close to an opponent after the events of KFP3, lol. Though his range also got a lot better.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Tai Lung touched Po in that fight. And it doesn't matter where Miraculer touches Po

That's what I meant.

I'm not sure if Po wants to get that close to an opponent after the events of KFP3, lol. Though his range also got a lot better.

Touché.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Touché.

Lol. I'll come back later with a vote. Though, one more question, when Po resurrects, does he come back as 8-B or 8-A?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I think resurrection it's actually reliant on his Chi.

I don't really have a clue, @Gyro may know more about that.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Alright. I'll wait for Gyro to respond.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I think resurrection it's actually reliant on his Chi.
I don't really have a clue, @Gyro may know more about that.

Didn't Gyro stated that his resurrection is by teleporting from the spirit world to the living world?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Yes, but I think that he needs his Chi for that.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[GyroNutz]

His resurrection is reliant on his chi, though he can fully restore his chi when in the Spirit Realm as shown in S1E13 of paws of destiny.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Didn't we just use the original KFP films / Legend of Awesomness for this match?

Paws of Destiny Po has a different page than Regular Po

 

[GyroNutz]

Yeah, the page is separate to avoid cluttering, not because it's a separate/alternate character.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

I mean, if Po can continuously resurrect, then I'm plenty sure that in one of his attempts to battle her, likely the second one at least, he could use some hax to take her out. Or simply wear down her stamina since it seems to be combat applicable.

I'm not sure if his resurrection is spamable or not. But even being able to come back once gives him a huge advantage.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Not really since she would have access to his powers once she steals them. Also she can just nullify him and leave him in a state that he's unable to harm her

 

[Litentric_Teon]

She has to touch him to do that. And having his powers A) Isn't the same as using them, in particular since many of them require training, and B) She may not even know the full extent of abilities she has access to if he doesn't see him use all of them. She gains the abilities, but not knowledge on how to use them.

Once Po knows not to let him touch her, then he'll resort to some kind of hax. Either take away some of her senses with his thunderclap technique, or perform the finger hold to BFR her to the spirit world using his superior H2H technique. It's highly doubtful that she's more skilled than someone like Tai Lung, so he shouldn't have too terrible of a time pulling it off. Especially if it's post resurrection and he already knows much about how she fights.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I'll limit to one thing:

Miraculer either doesn't needs training for use the powers that she stoles or It's a unnatural quick learner. Girl has used Powers in fashions that the heroes would ever hope to be able to use despite them being their signature techniques for literal years.

That said, I'll count this as a point for Po (1-2-0)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It's actually the other way around. He voted for Po, not Miraculer

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Wrong position. My fault.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Also Cataclysm can just pass through and destroy whatever Chi construct Po makes, as well as confuse him with Illusions, Protect herself with Shell-ter, and use items to like tie him up with a Lucky Charm

 

[Litentric_Teon]

I mean, it depends on what their abilities are. Abilities like, fire manip (not saying that's what she's copied) are likely much easier to use than something like chi, which by default requires kung fu training in part as a requirement to use. I don't think she can absorb the condition for using the power as well as the power itself.

Also, my argument is more so centered around skill + resurrection. Sure, those options may work the first time they're used, but surely not the second time (Note, the second time may not even be before he passes away from the one shot). Po can force a H2H situation, where he can land the Wuxi finger hold. Chi constructs help him to get in, regardless of whether or not they're destroyed. And his thunderclap can be used to actually take away some of her senses (her sight iirc), which seems better than producing illusions (depending upon how they work).

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

This is entirely arbitrary.

There's no such way to measure if Pyrokinesis it's harder to accomplish than, let's say, Hydrokinesis; that Soul Manipulation it's harder to accomplish than Mind Manipulation or that Teleportation it's easier than BFR. At least not between verses, because no verse it's bond to the same rules and there's no such a thing as Neon-pink haired girl stealing superpowers because of a butterfly-themed supervillain nor an anthropomorphic Panda sending thugs to the spirit realm with a hand key.

Require it's a very strong word. Most of the Panda village (if not all of them) and Po's father (The adoptive one, to make it clear) are able to use Chi despite lacking of actual Kung Fu Training. Unless being a hugger, being launched airborne as an Angry Bird or playing with a Tigress doll counts as such.

The condition perhaps not, but she does skips them regardless. At least half of the powers that she stole and used are dependent on the usage of an specific weapon and skill of which she lacks, but uses anyway.

But also, how Power Absorbers and Mimicriers are supposed to work then? Do we assume that they are unable to mimicry things like Ki Blasts or Jutsus because they are unable to control things like their physical and spiritual energies?

 

[GyroNutz]

Everyone else needs training though. Shifu's been a kung-fu teacher, let alone a master, for at least 30 years, and he was only capable of giving chi; the most basic application of chi. KFP3 and Paws of Destiny both point towards pandas having a natural affinity to chi.

There are also some techniques, like the golden lotus clap, that'll blind Sabrina if she does it wrong. Gaining the ability to do something =/= being able to do something effectively.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He also can't force a Wuxi finget hold on her since Sabrina has higher lifting strength than him. Sabrina can also nullify the powers of people multiple times so if Po gets his powers back she can just absorb them a second time.

Her Cataclysm can be used to destroy whatever chi construct Po is using, her Shell-ter protects her from damage, and she can make multiple illusions with mirage, such as multiplying herself. As for the last one, Po will have a hard time finding the real Miraculer all while she can sneak and powernull him again (based on Rena Rouge's act in "Miracle Queen", who got her power stolen by Miraculer)

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I don't see why touching someone's finger takes a lot of LS.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Because she can just free herself? Also Po was unable to free himself from Shifu's Wuxi finger hold when he showed that to him

 

[DatOneWeeb]

To be fair, he was untrained and had zero experience. It takes a second for him to BFR.

 

[GoCommitDi]

Po FRA