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Arrowverse CRT: What is it that Lucifer truly desires?

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As you can see, Crisis on Infinite Earths has incorporated Lucifer Morningstar (TV Series), and thus his show, as Earth-666 of the Arrowverse. This means that God (Arrowverse) and God (Lucifer TV Series) are one and the same character, so their profiles should be merged into a single one. Here's a draft: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ionliosite/Arrowverse. Obviously, every other 2-C also scales to 2-A.

So the actual question now lies on how to scale the King of Hell, Lucifer himself. Should he remain as he is? Should we scale him to Mallus (CW)? Should he be tiered as "At least 9-B, possibly Low 7-B"? Well, we'll discuss that here.
 
The problem is that scalling from Mallus would be strange due to the retraction of his strength not to get anywhere near the Low 7-B level, but still with the merger it will get strange if he won't scale since Mallus is just one of his "servants."
 
I love Lucifer and i would love to see him being put to a higher tier (even to Tier 5 or Tier 3 for example) but since this is mostly the Lucifer from the tv show, as long as we don't have anything in the original show that shows him to be on a higher tier (though i think he can already put to "At least 9-A, likely higher" from what we saw in S4), i don't think he should.

There is also an issue with the First of the Fallen being the Ruler of Hell and stated to be the original fallen archangel (though it's likely a similar thing than in the comics where the Fallen and Lucifer are different beings).

Also, i'm not sure for God but they could be merged though we should use specific keys or something to make sure it's understandable that the shows are different.
 
First of the Fallen is a totally different character from Lucifer. And him being a part of the Triumvirate of Hell doesn't have to be contradictory, as it can just be a political group within Hell.

Agreed on the God merge. But whether Lucy should scale to Mallus is kinda dodgy. On one hand, Mallus should be inferior, on the other Lucy struggled with a steel door. I think putting him as "At least 9-B, possibly Low 7-B" would be a compromise for now.
 
Yeah, that's what i thought. Just brought this here to see if someone else could think otherwise. Though we could also make him "At least 9-B, possibly Low 7-B or higher" since he should be more powerful than Mallus and comparable to the Fallen (who is unknown but far above the likes of Mallus as it is stated only other archangels (maybe) and God are able to destroy him).

Well, that sounds good more or less. Though shouldn't we wait to see what happens in the final season ? It will be released in February apparently and from what i heard, Lucifer might get new powers (like the ability to generate and control fire). Also, we could maybe add a Portal Creation power on his current profile as it's is stated the card he gives to Constantine creates a portal to the afterlife. Note that it should have been impossible for lesser beings since the antimatter wave disrupted John's powers and Lucifer clearly knew about the Crisis but...didn't care and the card (that he likely created himself so he could get Creation) worked anyway.

In general, i loved this cameo and i would love to see a series with Constantine and Lucifer after the end of the show (Lucifer i mean).
 
I completely agree with the God merger.

I don't know enough about mallus to fully comment on scaling Lucifer unfortunately, i'm not sure scaling him to a tier 7 would work though, like has been stated, he struggled with a steel door, perhaps a key that could show his human form and demon form? We haven't seen much of his demon form but it is clearly stronger to an unknown degree as the demons were terryfied of it, perhaps that could get a "Possibly Low 7-B"

Like I say, i'm not knowledgable enough to comment on how mallus comes into it as i've only watched lucifer.
 
@Kieran Mallus is "a demon of the highest order". So, logically, the King of Hell himself could perfectly scale above him.
 
I agree with the scaling (especially since Lucifer is an archangel (an angel at worst) and angels are stated in both universes to be stronger than demons in addition of showing that Lucifer is more or less the most powerful angel in his show, being above Amenadiel who is himself considered to be the most powerful except for Lucifer so it adds stuff to confirm it and can even suggest Lucifer is actually higher than Mallus). But if nobody is entirely sure, i would suggest to wait until the end of the series. Maybe. Though a temporary scaling could work for now.
 
If Mallus is certainly a demon I agree, Lucifer is above all demons (for obvious reasons)

I've also just rewatched the crossover clip and Lucifer seems fully aware of the Multiverse, stating something along the lines of "what are you doing on my Earth" (Which is likely referring to the universe in this context), so my original though (That different universe's characters wouldn't scale so Mallus and Lucifer wouldn't) is pretty much inapplicable now, if Lucifer is aware that there's a multiverse, then he's likely aware of demons from other universes, such as Mallus, the hell in both verses is likely the same realm so I see no problem with scaling him. I still think "At least 9-B, possibly Low 7-C" is appropriate though, just until we can get more confirmation.
 
Yes he is aware, not only of the Multiverse but also of the Crisis as he mentionned it directly in his conversation with Constantine by comparing it to the biblical Apocalypse and clearly doesn't care about it. He specially mentionned "the end of all Earths". So yeah, he knows about everyhing, including maybe about Oliver's current situation.
 
If he isn't bothered by the crisis, wouldn't that show that he's much stronger than we rank him, or even stronger than we're discussing here. He reacts as if the crisis isn't relevant enough to even bother him, surely that could give him at least a potential tier.
 
That would be way too much headcanon, to give a tier based on him not caring about Crisis. It could mean anything.
 
Yeah, at best, it means he has resistance to anti-matter (which would just be headcanon since we don't know what happened to him after Constantine's visit).
 
It's either that he is so powerful he doesn't have to worry about the Crisis and the antimatter wave or that he simply doesn't care...and that's all. He is listed as Decased on the Arrowverse wiki but this is based on the assumption that, since his Earth has probably been destroyed, he should be dead. Though the thing is that this cameo is set before the beginning of his series, wich starts in 2015 so it's entirely possible he has resistance to antimatter and somehow protected his Earth (him of God of anyone else).
 
I think still think "at least 9-B, possibly Low 7-C" should be given if this gets through, while he likely does scale above Mallus, he hasn't shown anything on this level in all 4 seasons of his show.
 
Well that sounds accurate. Though Mallus is currently "At least Low 7-B, likely higher" (we can still edit him though). We can put Lucifer to "At least 9-B, possibly Low 7-B/C or higher" to show that he should be above Mallus.
 
If we agree on scaling him to Mallus, Lucifer's AP in that case should be:

At least Wall level (Able to punch through walls and knock people through glass windows with ease. Effortlessely defeated Cai and was able to content with Amenadiel when the latter had his full power while he didn't), possibly At least Small City level, likely higher (As the King of Hell, he should theorically be stronger than other demons such as Mallus)
 
So we're gonna edit the profile ? Should we also add Creation for the card (we're not sure but it's more than likely he created it himself) or possibly Resistance to Animatter in relation to the stuff above ?
 
Ok, now that we have staff approval, I'll apply the changes.

Also, how do we merge the God profiles?
 
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