Creation of "the Cinematic DC Multiverse"

[ByArrow]

This discussion started here, and I was told to create a separate CRT. @Dalesean027 and I agreed that this should be a staff thread. I got permission from @Dalesean027 to create this thread.

The Bigger Multiverse (Arrowverse + DCEU + Lucifer, Batmans etc.) named



Official DC Website Says

The CW’s recent “Crisis on Infinite Earths” crossover event exposed more people than ever before to the concept of DC’s Multiverse—the expanse of differing “Earths," each with their own unique makeup of superheroes and villains. The idea of the DC Multiverse isn’t new, but at least until very recently, it also wasn’t well known outside of the comic book faithful. And while The CW miniseries filled in most of the broad strokes, we couldn’t blame anyone new to the idea for being a bit lost or at least having a few questions.

For example, how many Earths are in the Multiverse? Are they really infinite? Did the Crisis on Infinite Earths comic create the DC Multiverse? What’s the point of the Multiverse? And is the Multiverse we've seen on TV the same as the one in the comics?

Which brings us to The CW’s “Crisis on Infinite Earths.” Inspired heavily by the 1985 comic miniseries, the CW event greatly expanded DC’s live action Multiverse to an extent we’ve never seen before. Along with finally adding Black Lightning to the Arrowverse, it also suggested that other past and current DC movies and TV shows like Titans, Lucifer, Smallville, Superman Returns and even Tim Burton’s Batman exist within the same shared space. This isn’t the Multiverse of the comics, but its own unique take on the idea with its own near-limitless creative potential.

Next year, Andy Muschietti’s The Flash will expose more people than ever before to the concept of DC’s Multiverse—the expanse of differing “Earths," each with their own unique makeup of superheroes and villains. The idea of the DC Multiverse isn’t new, but at least until very recently, it also wasn’t well known outside of the comic book faithful. Last year, The CW’s “Crisis on Infinite Earths” miniseries brought the Multiverse to the screen for the first time, and with its cameo by Ezra Miller as the theatrical universe’s Flash, served as a sort of prologue for Muschietti’s upcoming DC blockbuster. Still, not everyone saw “Crisis on Infinite Earths,” and even among people who did, we couldn’t fault anyone for being a bit lost or at least having a few questions.

Which brings us to The CW’s “Crisis on Infinite Earths,” the upcoming Flash film and the idea of a live-action DC Multiverse. The CW event greatly expanded DC’s live action Multiverse to an extent we’ve never seen before and The Flash seems likely to take this notion and blow it wide open. With both Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck returning as Batman, Miller’s previous “Crisis” cameo and the creative team’s comments about how the movie will give birth to “the cinematic DC Multiverse,” it’s clear that The Flash will at least open the door to some big screen world-hopping. And much like what we saw on “Crisis,” this won’t be the Multiverse of the comics, but its own unique take on the idea with its own near-limitless creative potential.

Miller, when he wasn’t comedically showering us with “Flash Facts” about…pretty much everything, offered the most enticing promise: Of all the DC movies, this one’s important because it opens the same door that the Flashpoint miniseries did in the comics, allowing many of the distinctly different versions of DC characters that we’ve seen in movies and TV over the years to start to collide. As Hodson promised, “The cinematic DC Multiverse is going to be born out of this movie.”

While the movie hadn't yet started filming, so there was no teaser of any sort, Muschietti did give us our first look at the Flash’s new suit from the film (above), which is built by Bruce Wayne and is much sleeker-looking than his original Justice League suit.

According to the Official DC website; the Arrowverse, DCEU, Lucifer, Titans, and many other DC Cinematic Films exist in the same space under the name "The Cinematic DC Multiverse". And they confirmed that this multiverse is not the same one as in comics.

2 times "DC Multiverse"
2 times "The Cinematic DC Multiverse"
and 1 time "DC's Live Action Multiverse"

First Source
Second Source
Third Source

According to Andy Muschietti all the cinematic iterations that we’ve seen are in one unified multiverse.

DC treats all these verses as one verse. And they call this bigger verse “The Cinematic DC Multiverse”

And since these verses already work in the same cosmology and are defined by DC as a whole verse, and since we are already cross-scaling between many of them, I think we should unify them into one. After all, DC says that's how it is.
One of the arguments put forward in the previous discussion—in fact, it was the only argument—was that the MCU doesn't do such a thing, so we shouldn't do it either.

As I said, if we were to unify the other verse under the Arrowverse, it would be the same situation as the MCU. But we don't do that. We create a new verse directly. If we were to create a new verse called “the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse” and gather the verses from the multiverse under this verse, it would be the same as the current situation. That's why using the MCU as an example doesn't work because it's not exactly the same situation.

- ByArrow

- So why should we do this?
Because we will list it more accurately, because DC accepts it this way. Because that's what it is, all these characters are part of the same verse. We are not creating a separate verse for the DCEU's Flashpoint, or for the Arrowverse's Flashpoint or Reverse Flashpoint, because these are part of the same verse and are listed on the same verse page.

And this does not cause any problems or scaling issues.

The only thing I'm suggesting here is to implement what DC has accepted.

If you think this might be too confusing for Wiki visitors, a well-written note and a verse page nicely prepared with keys will prevent this confusion.

If this thread is approved, I will create the verse page.

You cant argue with the official source right? They literally said that the Multiverse of Live Action DC Films' name is "The Cinmeatic DC Multiverse"

- KaramcaS

After all, you can't argue with an official source.​

 

[Dalesean027]

I've already said how I feel about this in the last thread but I'll follow the thread regardless

 

[ByArrow]

So Lucifer will still be seperate or will it be scaled like it used to be?

Its cosmology will be separate, but it will be listed on this page.

 

[FinePoint]

I mean, if this doesn't affect any scaling then this is basically just whether we feature them all on one verse page or not.

From that perspective, I think this really just makes it harder for visitors to tell the differences without any real benefit.

Having one verse page feature multiple canons with completely different cosmologies seems like a bad idea.

 

[ByArrow]

I mean, if this doesn't affect any scaling then this is basically just whether we feature them all on one verse page or not.

Yes. And since DC treats it as a single verse, I think we should do the same. Additionally, the reason it does not affect scaling is because the necessary scaling has already been done.

From that perspective, I think this really just makes it harder for visitors to tell the differences without any real benefit.

As I said, I think it's possible to create a page that is quite understandable for visitors with the notes section and keys. Furthermore, since DC accepts it this way, we will index it more accurately.

Having one verse page feature multiple canons with completely different cosmologies seems like a bad idea.

All of them share the same cosmology, except for Lucifer. That's why we decided to divide the Lucifer characters into two keys.

 

[FinePoint]

As I said, I think it's possible to create a page that is quite understandable for visitors with the notes section and keys. Furthermore, since DC accepts it this way, we will index it more accurately.

Well, perhaps if I saw a draft like that I'd be more open to it.

 

[ByArrow]

Well, perhaps if I saw a draft like that I'd be more open to it.

I can prepare a draft. But I don't have time to do it for the next three days, so it will be ready after 4 days at the earliest.

 

[Dalesean027]

Personally for I'd say its much easier and just as accurate to do what the MCU does and simply note of each of the verse pages that they exist in an overarching world

The Marvel Cinematic Universe, or MCU, is a media franchise, and shared universe that is centered on a series of superhero films and television series independently produced by Marvel Studios, and based on characters that appear in publications by Marvel Comics. The franchise has expanded to include comic books, short films, and a television series. The shared universe was established by crossing over common plot elements, settings, cast, and characters. As of Spider-Man: No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine, the Sam Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy, The Amazing Spider-Man Film series, Sony's Marvel Universe, FOX's X-Men, FOX's Fantastic Four, FOX's Daredevil, and New Line Cinema's Blade Trilogy have been connected to the MCU's multiverse, further expanding the already large scope of this franchise.

You don't have to just combine every calc and every character from X verse into the verse page if they themself never appear and have a feat in an arrowverse crossover

Something like this just condensing the op listed on the relevant verse pages saying they exist in this cosmology

 

[Damage3245]

If you want to make an overview page that links to every individual verse page covered by this, then I could see that being fine. No need to condense any existing pages together.

 

[ByArrow]

If you want to make an overview page that links to every individual verse page covered by this, then I could see that being fine. No need to condense any existing pages together.

What I want is a more expanded version of this.

This page will contain everything related to "The Cinematic DC Multiverse", i.e. DCEU and Arrowverse and other verses. All calculations will be on this page, all cross-scalling will be explained on this page, all verses will have sections on this page and all characters related to the respective verse will be listed in these sections.

So it's basically a general biggerverse page with everything. This page will allow us to index the DC Cinematic Multiverse in an accurate and detailed way.

And we don't have to remove other verse pages, like Arrowverse, DCEU, etc. I don't mind these verses having their own pages.

The only thing I want is to create a larger verse page where people can see, examine and understand this whole DC Cinematic Multiverse and every calculation, character, item, weapon, vehicle, team that is connected to this biggerverse without going from verse pages to other pages. And we will have created a page for a verse that DC has accepted.

 

[ByArrow]

Bump

 

[Damage3245]

It comes across as redundant. Cross-verse scaling is something I can see worth being including. But not lists of every calc and character page. Just the verse pages and relevant scaling notes should be enough.

 

[ByArrow]

It comes across as redundant. Cross-verse scaling is something I can see worth being including. But not lists of every calc and character page. Just the verse pages and relevant scaling notes should be enough.

Even if it's redundant, it will be nice to have it on the page.

I made a small draft.

(This is an unfinished draft created to illustrate the main idea.)

ByArrow/TheCinematicDCMultiverse

vsbattles.fandom.com

Page descriptions;

• As can be understood, there are two sections in the “Explanations” part that will explain Cosmology and the canon productions for this verse, as well as cross-scaling.
  • I'm working on the Cosmology and Canon Blog. And since this is a draft, I haven't filled in the Cross-Scaling section yet.
• I created two subheadings in the “Calculations” section.
  • The “Main Calculations” section will contain cross-scaling calculations. In other words, if a character from a different verse is scaled to the calculation of a feat in a another verse, this calculation will be included here.
  • The other subheading, "All the calculations related to the verse," as the name suggests, will cover all the calculations in the verses.
• In the Characters section, I created a subheading titled “Characters of the Multiverse.” This subheading will cover characters appearing in the multiverse. It will not cover every character, but rather those characters who have made cameo appearances in the multiverse.
  • Also there is an expandable list titled “All the characters related to the verse.” Here, all the characters in the verses will be listed.
• The Weapons and Equipment pages will follow the layout in the “Characters” section.

This way, visitors can view “TheCinematicDCMultiverse” in a simpler, more straightforward format if they prefer, or they can see everything on a single page without having to navigate through multiple pages as I intended.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If you want to make an overview page that links to every individual verse page covered by this, then I could see that being fine. No need to condense any existing pages together.

Yeah I'm fine with that.