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One Piece Discussion Thread Fourteen Marineford

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Well this is it after over a generation of storytelling it appears One Piece is finally approaching the climax of this marvelous story in 5 years time. And no more fitting time to celebrate and prepare then opening with arguably one of the most legendary arcs in anime/manga history The Paramount War aka the Marineford arc.

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No, not at all. Ace was restrained in power nulling cuffs and spent time receiving the worst types of torture Impel Down had to offer. There are various reasons why Magellan was able to restrain Ace.
 
LordWhis said:
Also shouldn't Magellan be stronger than his inmates ? Which should put him above Jinbei
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What kind of ridiculous logic are you using?
 
What kind of ridiculous logic are you using?

He can keep them all in line. Jinbei isn't even weakened by sea stone cuffs yet Magellan walks around fearlessly in level 6 causing more fear than anything else. IIRC even Jinbei feared him.
 
The Calaca said:
DF users are rendered almost powerless when cuffed with Seastone.
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Marco tanked hits from Kizaru while cuffed and lived to tell the tale. It isn't that big of a power decrease.
 
Because Magellan is a walking biological threat.

He lived because Galdino freed him from the cuffs to regenerate. Kizaru lolstomped him the moment Marco got the cuffs.
 
That should at least make him rel+

If Marco was depowered down to high 7c then they would have had to pick up what was left of him with a vacuum cleaner after getting hit with Kizaru's low 6B+ attacks.
 
Speaking about scaling, i still ask myself why Fujitora is put so much low in the scaling.

Even if we don't have enough evidence that he is equal to the original admirals, he has be considered a serious threat by Doflamingo and Akainu wouldn't have sent him to Dressrosa if he wasn't sure that he has the necessary strength to win, he could had sent Kizaru instead.

Doffy even stated that he has heard many stories about him and Ryokugyu, stating that both of them are considered true beasts in terms of power, and considering the level of strength the people on the New World had, it would make sense for Fujitora to be at least be able to challenge Top Yonko Commanders, otherwise it wouldn't make much sense.

And beside that, its likely that he had also fought Jack the Drought when the latter tried to rescue Doflamingo during the Zou Arc, so technically he should scaling from him, unless someone want to argue that Sengoku and Tsuru did most of the job, but that sound unlikely.

Personally i think he should be the same tier as Doflamingo, Tsuru or Jack (At least High 7-A+, likely Low 6-B).
 
I mean Sengoku could have just blitzed and one-shotted him like Kaido did to Luffy- Tsuru and Issho wouldn't have to do anything
 
We shouldn't really assume anything about that fight.

All we know about it is that Jack got beaten, and those three individuals (plus random Vice Admirals and other Marines) were on board the ships.
 
Damage3245 said:
All we know about it is that Jack got beaten, and those three individuals (plus random Vice Admirals and other Marines) were on board the ships.
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But Jack had also his pirate fleet to back up likely full of Gifters (and Headliners) to help him along.
 
LordWhis said:
I mean Sengoku could have just blitzed and one-shotted him like Kaido did to Luffy- Tsuru and Issho wouldn't have to do anything
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And yet this didn't happen, even that i find hard to believe that Fujitora or Tsuru would just leave all the job to Sengoku.
 
I remembered something about the data book implying Sengoku wasn't involved in the fight it was on Tsuru and Issho.
 
Damage3245 said:
We shouldn't really assume anything about that fight.
All we know about it is that Jack got beaten, and those three individuals (plus random Vice Admirals and other Marines) were on board the ships.
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Beaten AND we also know he wasn't killed or captured AND he took out half thier ships in the process. Sounds like at least a mid difficult fight to me if not much much higher.

Anyway, I agree with Stefano that Issho should be higher. He has more than enough reasons. It would be weird if he and Greenbull were that much weaker than Kizaru. Akainu and Kuzan maybe given they were considered for Fleet Admiral but just regular admirals should not be that far apart. Also Jinbei (I think it was him) said the Mariens were stronger than before even with the loss of Kuzan. That would mean Issho+Ryu>Kuzan which would put Issho at 1.25 teratons.

Then there was his fight with Gear 3 Luffy who should be 800 Gigatons, and his scaling to Duffy calling it a hard win putting him on the edge of Low 6-B as well.

At least Large Island level, Possibly Small country level seems appropiate.
 
Stop pulling baseless claims. We have no evidence how weakened Marco gets from Seastone.

Luffy was outright ignoring the Seastone via sheer willpower as stated by Babanuki. And it was a mixtura of metals with less Seastone in it intended to make them strong enough to do the work they do in Udon.
 
The main point is this isn't reliable scaling. It's basically like scaling Batman To Superman cause he can draw blood with a kryptonite ring.

Marco is likely an exception cause of how strong he is. So his weakened state could keep going
 
Marco shouldn't be that much weaker than Katakuri. I would be shocked if he went down so easily.
 
Do you guys think that Admirals know the Rokushiki? We could see characters far below in marine using this and the Admirals is cleary the most skilled group of the entire WG.
 
It's a possibility, but we can't say for certain until they demonstrate it or are stated to use it.
 
Js250476 said:
The main point is this isn't reliable scaling. It's basically like scaling Batman To Superman cause he can draw blood with a kryptonite ring.

Marco is likely an exception cause of how strong he is. So his weakened state could keep going
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But shouldn't cuffed ace be roughly equal to cuffed Marco ?
 
It's more like saying if General Zod in kryptonite chains can building bust and Batman fought evenly with superman in kryptonite chains then he should also be able to building bust.
 
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