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Mercurius and The Spear

EmperorRorepmeThree

EmperorRorepmeThree

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"Can erase anything as long as it has a history with the Longinuslanze, which can even erase the Law of Mercurius" This quote on Trifa's and Reinhard's pages is wrong. First off all LLT in any state below Atziluth means nothing to Mercurius so it shouldn't apply to Trifa at all. Yes, Atziluth of course increases LLTs power. Secondly, LLT alone can do nothing to Mercurius. This lore alone means nothing because it implies it will destroy Mercurius instantly and then emanate but of course we know that isn't true with their Laws actually having to clash and it doesn't even factor in Ren or Marie.

The main point is Mercurius already slapped away LLT like it was a flea. This was the full brunt of Reinhard's power as an individual meaning it isn't his full power in the sense that he's using everything he has i.e his whole Legion. When they both clashed they both wounded each-other and Mercurius was going to reset. It wouldn't make sense for that to be LLT alone. Therefore LLT alone cannot do anything significant to Mercurius. Even if I were to interpret is as Reinhard's full power literally it would just mean he can tank LLT and the only reason Reinhard damaged him was because he allowed it the whole time.
 
The quote is all. It implies Trifa can one-shot Mercurius level entities with LLT and Reinhard can do that same with just Yetzirah Degree.
 
If this is what makes LLT 1-A then I guess that can be questioned too. Although it ca affect 1-A entities but Reinhard only does this in Atziluth which of course amps LLT. Same way Ren's blades were amped.
 
But LLT still ****** with Mercs Law, harmed Marie in Twilight Beach (not just a projection), harmed some Tenmas and was also stated to **** with Yatos law so it has more 1-A or at least potentially 1-A feats.
 
>whether or not it was stated if they where or where not using Taiji is obviously important

I usually stay away from Masadaverse thread now and i would have but i just wanted to correct this (As i did so many times)

Doesn't matter if they activate Taiji or not. They are inherently 1-A in durability and that's it. They never got damaged by any of the EET till they were on the same level of existence (Taikyoku).

Putting on and off their Taikyoku only changes their attack output. Not their nature of being. Hence why, even during their first encounters, EET never could damage any of the Tenmas because of the nature of their existence, despite having their Taikyoku off.
 
Essentially, yeah

That's also something to note on their profiles. Saying their durability is "Mountain/Country level" is pure bullshit when it is outright stated that Soujirou couldn't damage Akuro not because he is robust, but because of the natural difference in existence between them . This encounter, was of course, without Akuro even using his Taikyoku on
 
Huh so a legit 1-A LLT feat (I think).

Was LLT ever able to harm one of the Tenmas with Time Armour on? And if so was it only when Rindou had become 1-A herself?
 
Rindou Tenma Fukumetsu which offsets Tenmas is, as stated, the power of the "Golden Beast", his Longinuslanze Testament, his remnants

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What it does is basically, enforce their loser status, causing the time armor(Which are the Tenmas are also imbued with btw) to be broken, their power is greatly reduced and their existence starting to disappear

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This feat happened was indeed done by a non 1-A Rindou which did indeed kill Momiji

Good luck to all of you if this thread still continue afterward. I am out.
 
about LLT being capable of purging Mercurius's law

it only erased a part of Mercurius's law and mentioned part was Methuselah. creating new world in context was same as creating a new form for darkness and reshaping world/metaphorically creating a new world without Methuselah. seeing Methuselah was one of the pillars of Mercurius's law and erasing him was same as erasing and reshaping a part of Mercurius's law. so i believe Reinhard erased Mercurius's law but only a part of it.

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God born in the age of gods, dawn of human history civilization, the last pillar of its existence. To be exact, God is just one pillar of God, so it is right to say that he belongs to God.

about Merucirus

Reinhard is Mercurius's Apoptosis/Cancer Cell [1] and according to Narrator "An absolute law dictating that a cancer cell could not outlive its host." [2]

that's reason of why LLT wasn't capable of killing Mercurius.

LLT is specfically created for killing Mercurius "unleashing its true nature as the blade that had to slain gods" [3]

about non atziluth Reinhard

non atziluth LLT twice stabbed Marie and we have Marie as 1-A [4][5]

"Not even God could have evaded that trust if the eighth Swastika had been opened." [6]

LLT in a non atziluth degree was as powerful as atziluth and almost reduced soul of the Hadou God Ren into the ash [7][8]

and according to our knowledgeable members non atziluth Rindou killed 1-A Tenmas by LLT too.
 
>it only erased a part of Mercurius's law and mentioned part was Methuselah...


Hey, someone had the same idea as I have, kudos to you.
 
SleepyTBubble said:
Essentially, yeah

That's also something to note on their profiles. Saying their durability is "Mountain/Country level" is pure bullshit when it is outright stated that Soujirou couldn't damage Akuro not because he is robust, but because of the natural difference in existence between them . This encounter, was of course, without Akuro even using his Taikyoku on
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Is also stated that tenma Akuro is a higher dimension being compare to soujirou when they first meet
 
So it only erases a part? Like the laws of existence ''within'' Foreknowledge that Mercurius has complete control over? That's fine the statement is still wrong though.
 
Also as I said the lore doesn't matter. The feat showcases Mercurius slapping away LLT and Reinhard has to use everything he has at once in their clash to damage him. Using LLT and all the Briahs (amped by Reinhards Law) seperately did nothing.
 
LLT stays 1-A then but it can't kill Mercurius, the law of the cancer cell quote implies if Reinhard killed Mercurius then he would also die it's fully explained that no matter what the conclusion of the battle is alluding to Mercurius' death he would still die. If Rindou did that it's clear LLT with her is way more powerful.
 
> If Rindou did that it's clear LLT with her is way more powerful.

Nope. Clear cut that Rindou got Reinhard power through his LLT. In fact, her power granted to her by Kemono is the only thing remarkable about her. There's no special quality she has (apart from not being selfish in a narcissitic world booted up by Hajun law). The feat she does was done through Kemono-dono power and that's quite bluntly stated as per the statement i posted

If by any means, Reinhard was in KKK. The same feat would have happened (and most likely, on a bigger scale too as Rindou only got some remnants of his power)
 
Yeah it seems that Rindou got her power from Reinhard or the "Golden Beast" so hers being stronger makes no sense, although it can be talked about hiw the Tenmas and Yato at that point had lower Taiji levels then Merc iirc.
 
So Tenma Yato had a lower Taiji value at that point? That makes way more sense then. LLT can stay 1-A but it can't kill Mercurius so all that needs to change is the statement on their pages.
 
Probably just me, but I think the reason he had a lower Taiji/Taikyoku was from getting weaker and tired from having to stall against Hajun's own for 8000 years straight. Then again, I don't quite think that's how Taikyoku works (probably a stupid idea that even I think of it so) but also again that's just me.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Yeah it seems that Rindou got her power from Reinhard or the "Golden Beast" so hers being stronger makes no sense, although it can be talked about hiw the Tenmas and Yato at that point had lower Taiji levels then Merc iirc.
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no tenma yato throughout all k3 is heavily weakened, and tenma yato hasd 70 taikyoku values at the time when rindou got the spear so he is not comparebale to Merc
 
@Leader

Because she was clearly "nerfed" by her reincarnation. She isn't comparable to her old self.
 
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