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ONE's statement about who would win between Tatsumaki and Mob

Eficiente

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Why do we use this as AP, Speed and Lifting Strength for the characters? It is incredibly vague to elaborate about any of those, let alone all of them.

And didn't ONE also say that his word shouldn't be taken all that serious on this type of matters?
 
Acknowledged.

But does this mean that you agree with it as well? This is not the same as Garou being equal to Boros, "who would win in a fight" has a lot of things going on within it, and he didn't give any precise answer, he just didn't know. That can perfectly fine mean that any of them could be above the other in who knows what stats and by who knows how much.
 
I mean, i'm not known of MP100, so correct me if i'm wrong. Both of them have very fex haxes and advantages aside from their tier in relation to the rest of their respective verse's cast. So it's logical that if they were to fight, it would me something mainly decided by AP/Dura/strenght/etc. It's fair to, at the very least, say they're comparable in power, because if they weren't, both don't have any abilities that would make up for it in a fight against someone stronger.
 
And why something like that should be taken as a fact? The same can be thought for any user here about any characters in a vsthread while having far more precise info about them, only to later notice that one of them is better. Who knows how much thought ONE put into that. Also people who isn't into vs debates kinda tend to always have everyone keeping up with everyone and being able to at least harm others who aren't notably millions of times above them.
 
I....Geniuenely don't get your first point.

Yes, one of them can be better, but they can still be evenly matched none the less.
 
Well, I think the last point is underestimated. People who isn't into vs debates yet do make a lot of very respectable research can think some extremely inaccurate things about characters beating other characters. ONE thinking them to have "a very close fight" doesn't necessarily mean them to be evenly matched with somewhat similar stats, a more reasonable take on that would be that they are not notoriously different in power in a completely unqualifiable way. In my opinion.
 
Honestly I also found it weird that we use author statements to justify scaling characters from two different franchises too, and the concept "Well the author intended that..." should very much be countered by the "Death of the Author" argument, right? If we're gonna play it like that, then we should've taken everything said for Captain Marvel (Marvel Cinematic Universe) in face value, right?
 
We only take the author statement in consideration when is consistent inside the verse.

The case of Boros and Garou makes sense at the very least.

Here, we are talking about two different franchises, with Mob and Terror showing complety different power levels.

I do say no.
 
Schnee One said:
The Author who literally knows everything about his characters is more then just respectable research
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The author who knows everything about his characters isn't doing a canon story with all its planning and thought behind it, they just asked him something about some random thing and he had to answer it right afterwards. This "never happened in the canon", in the context of everything else I said so far.
 
Actually yeah that's a great point by Eficiente on the poorly thought out nature of these statements, really. To bring an example, Stan Lee himself had notoriously inconsistent idea on which of his characters would win in a fight, because he was so frequently asked these questions by fans he himself said he'd just say yes to whoever the "Question Asker" wanted to win to get out of an argument. On a similiar note, there are same inconsistent statements by Shigeru Miyamoto on Yoshi's gender and stuff like that.
 
I hope that can put an end to this discussion. Can those parts in both profiles be removed then?
 
Eficiente@ You will probably have ask more knowledge members of OPM and Mob to see their opinions before any change.
 
I agree with it being removed

He probably has no idea how strong tats was with that bullet feat And doesn't know who would win as he said not that they are =
 
I recommend asking Dargoo,since he's one of the most important supporters.

And this thread contains the entire debate for scaling them.

My opinion on the matter:

1.???% Mob is the God Tier of the verse and has never shown any kind of upper limit or counter-feat, the 7-B rating from before comes from causing a building destroying earthquake who affected his entire city plus neighbouring towns...By walking. ???% focuses on the single objective Mob had before it takes over, and in the last arc his objective was simply confessing to Tsubomi,not fighting or destroying anything.

The feats he performed there were a result of his raw psychic power existing and being unrestrained.

2.Comparing One's statements about two completely linear and relatively small series, and characters he wrote and created entirely by himself to the absolute Titans of the comic industry, Marvel and DC, are just...not very fair.
 
1. There are many characters who don't show an upper limit, like Saitama. Doesn't mean we'll rate them whatevs we want.

2. Elaborate. We aren't using Marvel and DC for scaling logic, we're using them as an example against using crossover WoG of seemingly unrelated franchises.
 
Those would seem like 2 major straw mans if used here. If anything I thought ???% Mob was already at the same level than Tatsumaki, but in any case their powers don't matter to this. Same case with comparisons of Marvel and DC and their impossible history of comics.
 
I definately agree their scaling should be removed. Its disingenuous to suggest that ONE declaring an Incon on the two means they must have comparable AP, only to backpedal later and say he'd obviously win due to better abilities. For all we know, ONE is simply suggesting that despite possessing significantly lesser AP, Mob's array of Hax gives him enough of an edge to stalemate Tats.

Most likely answer; ONE just simply hasn't given the scenario much thought past the surface level and quite literally doesn't know what the outcome would be. In either scenario, neither is enough to suggest hard scaling up to Tats' level. I would suggest a bump down to Mob's best ??? feat, so 7-A.
 
SpookyShadow said:
What's the problem with WoG of ONE stating that they are comparable?
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Here, if not enough then please read the whole thread.
 
And what Mob hax gives him the edge over Tatsumaki again? That doesn't make sense. He said he's not sure who would win. We've never seen ???% full potential so that's understandable for me.

Welp, I disagree with the downgrade. For me him saying that he's not sure who wins suggests that they are comparable. As an author of both comics he should know literally everything about his characters, so if Tatsumaki was really stronger than Mob then he would say that. And before that he gave an answer that Tatsumaki is indeed stronger (or usually wins) than casual Mob.
 
You are missing the point here, I don't think you read the whole thread as I told you to.
 
Schnee One said:
The Author who literally knows everything about his characters is more then just respectable research, and even then your example heavily varies depending on what matches your talking about.
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You would think the Author of a series would know everything about his worlds and the characters within them.

The Author of Dragon Ball literally forgot Launch was a character.
 
I did read the whole thread. And I think the statement that "Tatsumaki is stronger than casual Mob" or other version "Tatsumaki usually wins against normal Mob" is being a bit ignored here.
 
It's not, you are just giving it far more importance than what it has.
 
ElixirBlue said:
You would think the Author of a series would know everything about his worlds and the characters within them.

The Author of Dragon Ball literally forgot Launch was a character.
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Yes. Because he wrote the story, has rights of it. Comparing him to other writers is not a good argument.
 
Eficiente said:
It's not, you are just giving it far more importance than what it has.
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It's half of entire statement so I'm giving it importance. If the second translation with "usually wins against Mob" is correct then it means he even has wincons in his earlier forms.
 
1.Yeah, because Saitama has no one to scale to, hence the best we can do is give him a casual rating and state it in his profile. if One didn't give his statement,the best mob would be is at least 7-B as well.

Garou is also FAR inferior to Manga Boros in feats, but One still said he should be comparable phisically to Boros, hence he scales to 21 pettatons.If his best feat in the manga ended up being a High 6-B he wouldn't lose the scaling. Because in his case being equal to Boros won't make any difference as it still makes him superior to everyone sans Saitama and doesn't cause any inconsistency in history, or powerscaling

2. Basically, i mean that there are so many versions/reboots and different authors that consistency suffers. What might have been one author's perception of X, might have been Y for the one currently writing
 
Garou vs Boros statement was REALLY similar.

"ONE: Garou or Boros, who would win? Before, Boros was definitely the stronger one, but Garou is now a near-perfect monster. I don't really know. A good match . . . I do believe Garou is stronger in close combat where things like punches and kicks can generally be avoided."
 
Yes. Because he wrote the story, has rights of it. Comparing him to other writers is not a good argument.

No, that's not a comparison of the authors. That's an example of an author forgetting his creation Or their abilities.

It's like how PIS's are made. The author forgets the fighter's abilities/or realize they made a mistake and had the villain too strong but they have to make the hero win, even if by all rights, the villain is the stronger opponent.
 
If characters like Regular Mob or Golden Sperm would definitively and without doubt lose to her, him stating that Serious Mob is uncertain is clearly him saying that Serious Mob's power is at a point where it makes it uncertain if she can beat him. Which clearly means at bare minimum he's on par with her. If he was significantly outclassed by her, he'd certainly lose, just like other characters who were stated to certainly lose to her.

Plus even Tatsu's High 6-C feat in the first place was super casual. She didn't struggle in the slightest and there was absolutely no doubt that she was able to pull this off. And very easily at that. Yet there is doubt that she can overpower Mob? That would logically mean that overpowering Mob is a greater challenge than overpowering these shells were. Or at the very least Mob's 1/3 of that. But saying he's thousands of times weaker given this context is ridiculous.

ONE said that when Mob goes serious it's uncertain who'd win. Logically and most simply that means Mob when he's serious is at least somewhat on par (or even at bare minimum 1/3) with Tatsu's power (or at least her super casual power). Not that for some reason even though ONE is certain regular Mob's power is weak enough to definitively lose to her, he isn't sure that a serious Mob would lose her even though it's thousands of times weaker than a super casual feat of hers, that "serious" does not actually mean Mob being serious rather when he's less serious and that the outcome is again uncertain even though he has form ridiculously weaker than the one that already makes the outcome uncertain.

Also nothing goes against Mob having this level of power. His best feat is literally just from him walking. ONE's statement here is also identical to the Boros vs Garou one, yet no one seems to have issue with that. Even when Garou's AP feats are nowhere in the same ballpark as Boros's.
 
I mean the creator of the universe of both would know to compare which and which. If you guys really want to you can try to ask ONE again who would win now. I doubt it would change much
 
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