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Let's Try This: Kaleidoscope vs The Almighty

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The 2-A one?

He time travels and snipes from another universe
 
Quite good given the fact he defeated Crimson Moon itself, who is above Arcueid and Altrouge, and above all Dead Apostles and True Ancestors. Also he is count as the pinnacle of magi, which should bolster his soul resistance feat even higher (Note that top magi are close to True Magic, which can make Soul Manipulation quite common).
 
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The 2-A one?

He time travels and snipes from another universe
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I would use the 5-A. Given his 2-A comes from Second Magic hax.
 
Huh, most Tsuki profiles are outdated huh? On his profile it's at least 5-A, possibly 2-A. So i went and used it
 
The at least 5-A is because there were some people who didn't want to scale the types to 2-A so that was left as a compromise

Although if you specify that we are using 5-A rather than 2-A we can go with that

But since that's the same "Prime Zeltrech" key, the whole time travel, teleport to another universe and sniping is still possible
 
Any reason in particular why it isn't just Reitasu GG or Yhwach seeing it and outright negating it? From the looks of it his supposed Resistance still isn't enough.
 
Because reiatsu crush has never passively killed or even affected someone at 4km without the user purposely flexing their reiatsu

In addition, I doubt Yhwach is seeing and negating 2-A magic
 
Nano was being effected by Yamamoto's Reiatsu and had to be taken away more than 4Km to escape, also pretty sure Yamamoto did the same to hollows. Also the user always starts out with flexing their Reitasu. Also what happened to 2-A Nasu? I'm pretty sure it was gonna get downgraded.
 
Where are you getting that Nano had to be taken over 4km away from? None of the times that Yama used his reiatsu on hollows had them at over 4km away

The user absolutely doesn't start flexing their reiatsu because that's an action they have to take, not a natural state, that's like saying that Reinhard starts with Gladsheim floating above him and soul sucking
 
Zelretch's first move is to time travel/dimension hop, which is thought based.

He nukes Yhwach hard, 2-A hax and all. Hell, the 2-A stuff is literally at his page.
 
Alright, if you guys are going to debate about the 2-A thing, do it on Message Wall, DM, or on another thread. Don't fill it and then mislead this thread into another topic
 


Funnily enough if i recall you were one who stone walled and didn't even debate much. It was pretty handily debunked.

No, your memory is just bad. Matt and you were the ones stonewalling, and the 2-A is so ******* blatant it's not even funny. Allow me to demonstrate

The 2nd Magic draws power from infinite alternate universes. The Moon Cell/BB simulates those universes, which are then real enough to die in, and people then scale from her.
 
@Paul


Shuhei having to take Nano away from Yama's RC was more than 4KM, same with him slaying the Hollows in Fake Karakura. I'll look into finding it but it was one of the many reasons why the Seireitei is massive. Doesn't mean much anyway since Yhwach's has 3x planetary range. As for your Reitasu argument you can make a CRT since thats how we treat the ability.


Edit: It was actually 20Km, or in other words 13 miles.
 
@HI3


First of all calm down, don't get your attitude with me. Secondly, I don't care very much, again this was went over and the majority agreed with the downgrade. Anyway not about to waste my time arguing with you, I sense a lot of salt and bitterness from you already.
 
Ah yes. The most potent of arguments, the Tone Argument. Thanks dad.

Either way, no, the downgrade was not agreed upon through reasons that made any sense whatsoever.
 
>Disprovened

>Still on the profiles and majority of Fate members here don't even count on the downgrading

Right....
 
@prince

Where are you getting the distance she was taken being more than 4km from, and where are you getting the 4km for the hollows from? If you could get soemthing that supports this proposed distance than i'll accept that

I figured you'd bring that up, Yhwach never, a single time, passively crushed anything 3 planets away, in fact the only thing that had shown the range was his black energy which had to travel outwards and had a clear travel time

You don't need a CRT for how you treat an ability in versus matches, if an ability is incorrectly treated in a match then you can bring that up and corrrect it, in this case, the way you are saying reiatsu crush works is literally against the way we have matches. A CRT is only needed if I'm removing, adding or changing an ability and the way it's listed on the profile, not how it is treated in threads.
 
The sarcasm is pretty cute tho, I remember when I was an edgy 16 year old and watched "papa franku" too lol.


Anyway the thread should be made once more considering it died and was still on going.
 
Honestly, please shut up. Literally nothing you have said about Nasuverse has been agreed to by anyone that knows what the **** they're talking about, and that includes you. I have literally given clear-cut, easy to understand proof of 2-A Nasuverse, but nope, you need to bog down the dicussion by bringing back a thread that died because everyone knew it was bullshit and was only being pushed because Matt and Co. refused to just give up and take an L.
 
>"make a CRT because that's how we treat Reiatsu Crush here"

>ignores 2-A hax because "it was debunked" except it wasn't because that's how we treat it here

>Tells guy to calm down and in the same post gets agressive against him

Stop being a hypocrite, please and thank you. Use your brain next time too if you want to sound smart.
 
This thread went from a match to straight up aggression...

Im no mod, but, if someone has a problem with 2-A nasuverse i recommend making a CRT about it..

That and maybe tone down the agression before this thread ends up getting yeeted.. and someone gets a warning or.. banned...
 
@Crimson


Okay, first of all I said Paul should make a CRT regarding RC due to the way we treat the ability and the fact that it's been like that for months and it's widely accepted, on mutiple CRT's. Secondly, the two aren't at all comparable, the 2-A stuff hasn't been finished yet. Our Reiatsu crush stuff has, so instead of calling me a hypocrite hows about not using false Equivalencies in order to make yourself seem like your on some type of high ground.
 
>passive reiatsu crush

>passive almighty

>no resistance to either of them on profile

ded Magician
 
The 2-A stuff hasn't finished, yet it's right there on the profiles. Until it has been "debunked" as you claim it has (which it hasn't), we will treat it as 2-A, since that's literally what the characters are rated as.

also, "widely accepted" is the funniest joke i've heard all month, but i'll leave it at that
 
Dunno about the Almighty. Both can perceive the future and basically choose and rewrite them as they will it. Hence the reason i made this thread. Aura and Soul Manip resist should have been on the profile, since it's basically basic for DA and Magus
 
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