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This thread has been a long time coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is one of the most controversial threads I've created to date. In order for this to proceed as smoothly as possible, I would appreciate it if people could keep things civil.
Problem
The main issue is that the majority of the characters listed are rated as 5-B now because of a single 5-B calc, which is the calc of Hagoromo and Hamura sending the Moon from the planet's surface to orbit over an unknown period of time.
The calc assumes timeframes that range from 10 minutes, to 30 minutes, to an hour. And currently the 30 minute timeframe is what is accepted.
This is a problematic calc as there simply isn't a solid basis for accepting this timeframe as accurate. As the calc itself states, we don't have a timeframe for the feat. The feat has always taken place off-screen, with minimal details being given for it. We could invent any kind of timeframe for it. Due to this unreliability, I don't think it is right that all of the God Tiers are considered to be Planet level because of it.
I cannot think of a method of improving the calc that doesn't involve guesswork for the timeframe.
So what is the solution?
Proposal
My primary proposal would be that we consider the calc to be inapplicable for the scaling and instead rate the characters using these four calcs instead:
I want to note that there is also this version of the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei calc created by Jvando:
So, assuming we go with the Potential Energy version of the calc. We would have three 5-C calcs to use for scaling, instead of one highly questionable 5-B calc.
Characters
The list of characters potentially affected by this revision are:
Consensus has been to get rid of the previous Hagoromo/Hamura calc.
The remaining decision to make is whether the Potential Energy version or Kinetic Energy version of Naruto and Sasuke's feat is more suitable for use.
Problem
The main issue is that the majority of the characters listed are rated as 5-B now because of a single 5-B calc, which is the calc of Hagoromo and Hamura sending the Moon from the planet's surface to orbit over an unknown period of time.
The calc assumes timeframes that range from 10 minutes, to 30 minutes, to an hour. And currently the 30 minute timeframe is what is accepted.
This is a problematic calc as there simply isn't a solid basis for accepting this timeframe as accurate. As the calc itself states, we don't have a timeframe for the feat. The feat has always taken place off-screen, with minimal details being given for it. We could invent any kind of timeframe for it. Due to this unreliability, I don't think it is right that all of the God Tiers are considered to be Planet level because of it.
I cannot think of a method of improving the calc that doesn't involve guesswork for the timeframe.
So what is the solution?
Proposal
My primary proposal would be that we consider the calc to be inapplicable for the scaling and instead rate the characters using these four calcs instead:
- Toneri Moving the Moo: 199.25 Exatons (Moon level)
- Toneri cutting the moon in half: 281.35 Exatons (Moon level+)
- Six Paths Chibaku Tensei: 403.41 Exatons (Moon level+)
- First Six Paths Chibaku Tensei: 548.99 Exatons (Small Planet level)
I want to note that there is also this version of the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei calc created by Jvando:
- Six Paths Chibaku Tensei: 147.73 Zettatons (Planet level)
So, assuming we go with the Potential Energy version of the calc. We would have three 5-C calcs to use for scaling, instead of one highly questionable 5-B calc.
Characters
The list of characters potentially affected by this revision are:
- Naruto Uzumaki (Part II)
- Naruto Uzumaki (New Era)
- Sasuke Uchiha (Part II)
- Sasuke Uchiha (New Era)
- Madara Uchiha
- Shinju (Jübi)
- Kaguya Ōtsutsuki
- Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki
- Kinshiki Ōtsutsuki
- Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki
- Hamura Ōtsutsuki
- Toneri Ōtsutsuki
- Jige
- Delta (Boruto)
Consensus has been to get rid of the previous Hagoromo/Hamura calc.
The remaining decision to make is whether the Potential Energy version or Kinetic Energy version of Naruto and Sasuke's feat is more suitable for use.