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No. This doesn't concern 2A, you may leave if that's what you think this is.

No. This is in regards to Fate Servants scaling from Angra Mainyu's Earthquake, due to Earthquake revisions and the fact that the calc was actually invalid since apparently it didn't cover enough range, this is no longer useable for Servants.

Now there are a bunch of calcs that need to be evaluated and calced and decided on whether or not they should scale.

As a result of this. Here are the options.

A. Go with the original baseline 7A for A rank Servants based on mountain busting, and those weaker are 7B.

But there's a problem, Mountain and Island level requirements state that busting a Mountain is actually Low 7B, and **** if Im going to go through a nightmare like that if we decide this, hopefully people can go into detail on the Mountsin busting statements so we can see if they're truely 7A or Low 7B.

B. There are ALOT of calcs that need to be looked at, Upgrade from the last thread brought up plenty.

Discuss.
 
Calc'able (Or Possibely calc'cable) feats that i found.

Last Encore, Gawain's Excalibur Galatine Vs Red Saber Nero [1]

Karna Vs Siegfriend/Sieg of Fate/Apocrphyra [2]

Saber Altered Vs Hercules of Fate/Stay Night Heavens Feel [3]

The Aftermath of Gilgamesh Vs Enkindu leaving a several Kilometer crater of Glass from the heat and pressure caused by their clash during their fight, in Fate/Strange Fake. [4]

Arash creating a 2,500 Km National Border with his Arrow. [5]
 
We need as many people who can calc this as we can.

Meanwhile, I'm getting some of the people on the previous threads.
 
Karna vs Seigfried doesn't yield anything of value, and neither does Saber of Black vs Saber or Red. I've calc'd part of both, and they both fall short
 
So that cuts the Apoc feats.

Btw, wasn't Gil VS Enkidu crater created by their 5-B NPs? Would it be okay to scale them to weaker ones?
 
Sigh, here we go again (Why you guys used that calc earlier from Angra anyway...). I think there are many straight up mountain busting and beyond feats and statements in Fate that i actually can't count them all. Anyway, since i'm kinda busy, i will just follow this thread and see how it goes.
 
Diinou HotHead said:
So that cuts the Apoc feats.
Btw, wasn't Gil VS Enkidu crater created by their 5-B NPs? Would it be okay to scale them to weaker ones?
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True. Those were multiple clashes of EX rank NPs
 
Well, Caladbolg is clearly shown can destroy a whole island, which surprisingly attacks at the same rank can be survived by Servants.
 
I found an Exaclibur Galatine last encore calc. How do you submit it into a review? I can't find the original source, butvu found a copy paste from Facebook
 
"Excalibur Galatine DC

+Seraph Aqours made a neat new calc about Gawain's Noble Phantasm,i'll just paste his work here:

The feat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgShc8tpl0

"This is the best screenshot I can get for the width of the blast.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322923413385773056/476514286336999435/2018-08-07.JPG

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Playable_Saber_(Fate/Extra)

Nero is listed at 1.5 m and in the screenshot, she stands 70 pixels.

1.5/70 = 0.0214285714285714 m Per Pixel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322923413385773056/476515686672498689/Screenshot_21.png

The blast has a width of about 229 Pixels.

(0.0214285714285714)(229) = 4.9071428571428506 m
Radius = 2.4535714285714253
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322923413385773056/476516213632270338/Screenshot_22.png

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Excalibur_Galatine#cite_note-GalatineExtra-3

The wiki says the energy blast can go to 13 km or so. So I'll be using the length of 13 km.

Cylinder Area = 2¤Çrh + 2¤Çr2
A = 2¤Ç(2.4535714285714253)(13 000) + 2¤Ç(2.4535714285714253)^2
A = 200 411.1713515029000187 + 37.824855691890744158566
A = 200 448.996207194790762858566 m2

https://www.space.com/17137-how-hot-is-the-sun.html

Here, the Sun's Core is listed at about 15 000 000┬░C.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=zV...v=onepage&q=emissivity of natural gas&f=false

This has Natural Gas Emissivity at about .21.

http://www.endmemo.com/physics/radenergy.php

Using this calculator, I get 120 567 156 711 900 000 000 000 J per second.
28.816242043953153029 Teratons of TNT"

Low Country Level"


This is what that calc looks like currently
 
Post it in a blog. Then post the link to the blog in the eval thread.
 
Never forgot King Hassan swatted away an excal galantine with his cape casually.
 
I think so yeah. It looks right to me.

Yeah but that doesn't change how big of a flex it was. King Hassan exudes Herc levels of big dick energy.
 
Diinou HotHead said:
Thus would scale to NPs, correct?
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Idk should probably calc the rest too. I'm on board if we manage to get at least 3 tier 6 calcs. If galantine is ok that's one, enkidu vs Gil is another probably if my math is right. Karna should be tier 6 with ease though too. Salter's blast unfortunately ain't tier 6, the einzbern estate ain't that big.
 
And those that scales to NPs, they seem to sit between 6-C and 6-B, so most A-rank Anti-Army NPs should sit somewhere around that.
 
I mean if it scles above it that's fine, what I'm saying is calcing the explosion from HF wont get you into tier 6, it looks to be tier 7, large town. After looking up pictures of the einzbern estate. (plus the above calc had the explosion at like 25km, yet the forest and mountain the enzbern estate is on is only 30km away from fuyuki.)
 
It shouldn't be controversial that high tier Noble Phantasm destroying mountains or islands isn't metaphorical. Some examples:

Saber Alter's NP completly vaporized a fragmented Bennu (astreoid with 492 m mean diameter).

Mordred's claims that her NP can "obliterate" a mountain, and Arash agrees that it can "blow this entire mountain away".

Caladabolg shattering an island.

For physicals feats, Berserker destroyed Emiya's Broken Phantasm Caladabolg II arrow with a single swing.

Nero blocked and survived Excalibur Galatine.

Casual use of Gilgamesh's GoB with throw-away weapons can pierce through mountains. (Fate/Zero Volume 3)

True Archer from Fate/strange Fake was punched into a hill almost as high as the tallest building in the city which made it crumble, he then made the rubble of the hill explode like a volcanic eruption by jumping:

That instant, the mysterious Archer, who one blow from the female Heroic Spirit had buried under a mountain of rubble, had sent that rubble flying like a volcanic eruption.

Numerous giant boulders had were flung so high into the air that Tine had to crane her neck to see them. Then several of the stones suddenly shattered, and arrows shrouded in vast quantities of magical energy appeared from among the fragments. The mysterious Archer had flown up with the rubble, and loosed countless arrows from behind the soaring rocks.

The rain of arrows, each one accompanied by its own tornado, sped down at Gilgamesh and the female Heroic Spirit, pulling the shards of the shattered boulders into the swirling vacuums as they came.
 
Shouldnt matter, Karna seems to be an easy tier 6 feat, the amount of melting and vaporizing going on at once from not even the attack itself is insane. It should hit island-large island at the minimum, maybe higher. Unfortunately I wouldnt know where to start scaling it. That should be our highest priority though. As long as we can scale and calc it, it's straightforward.
 
I did a quick calc yesterday of how much energy it'd take to vaporize Bennu's mass, it didnt hit tier 6 (in fact it seemed kinda low honestly).
 
I have doubts about using King Hassan blocking Galatine when it isn't shown that Gawain activated it as a beam sword against him. Unlike all the other times NPs are used like Stella or Caladbolg, there is no special attention beyond Gawain and his weapons pulling an Escanor before it was cool.
 
I'm pretty sure it was said that he used the NP, not that it matters, King Hassan was grand at the time. He would scale above it to such an extent that sayng he would need to swat it away is underestimating him.
 
Blowing away a mountain away or obliterating it definitely has more context then busting it, I will give it that.

So baseline 7A at the absolute least is good.
 
You could probably even find the actual mountain, most of the fgo chapters take place in real locations albeit twisted.
 
Chariot190 said:
I'm pretty sure it was said that he used the NP, not that it matters, King Hassan was grand at the time. He would scale above it to such an extent that sayng he would need to swat it away is underestimating him.
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It wasn't stated at all.

https://youtu.be/2M65EQvUQnc

At 5:47:19 onwards.

Gawain: Such arrogance! Once the sunlight returns, my sacred sword will be invincible!

Slash at KH (No mention of NP activation)

Blocked by KH

KH: Of course. Arrogance is warranted. That light could not even awaken one who is asleep.

Gawain then goes Nani? and realises KH is OP, by deflecting Galatine under the sun.

You can assume so, but we do get NP activation scenes all the time so none here makes it puzzling.

EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, there's a difference between beaming someone with Galatine and just striking normally with it. I haven't seen anything to suggest KH flexed on the beamu rather than on Gawain's pansy ass swings.
 
I could've sworn it said there was a NP, maybe I took the mention of the blade's light to mean the laser, kinda like how Excalibur's light is usually always taking about the NP. Havent played Camelot since it came out though in english so my bad if i misremembered.


King Hassan would still scale above the NP though with hilarious ease, being a grand and all.
 
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