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Thunder McQueen's Incons

DragonEmperor23

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I was going to put this in CRT but it doesn't have anything to do with his stats and images. At least, not about changing them. So, Thunder is well known for his powers and his personality that lead to his matches resulting in many inconclusives. However, a lot of the matches on his profile shouldn't have been added. Thunder's ability, Highway To Hell, causes any damage inflicted on him to also be inflicted on the opponent. This ability has been abused to put Thunder against people many tiers above him. Normally this would be a clear AP stomp but a lot of people seem to think it's fair that Thunder can't win and can only get an inconclusive because he's suicidal and wants to die. Not only that, but the opponent is bloodlusted sometimes which means that they basically force it into an incon because the opponent's trying to kill Thunder effectively. That shouldn't make him an exception to the rules and just inflates his list of matches severely. I propose that Thunder's matches against Naruto, Thanos, Luffy, Goku, Saitama, Botamo, Superman, Ichigo, Angra Mainyu, and Tracer should be removed.
 
All those characters have ways to incap thunder or take care of him before he kills himself without killing him so op isn't really making an incon spite match
 
>All in character starting moves immediately one shots Thunder

>Some of these guys are bloodlusted so they definitely one shot

>Possible to incap? Yes.

>Will they? Not without intel or being ooc

>Also just a stomp

The matches aren't fair no matter how you spin it.
 
All of those things would incap Saitama as well. You tie Thunder up, you restrained too. That's how his powers work.
 
A character not using their wincon in character doesn't make it a stomp this has been talked about before.

Bloodlusted means goes for wincon not goes for the kill on this site

It's not a stomp since the character has a way to win they just might not take it in character which is not a stomp
 
Paul Frank said:
A character not using their wincon in character doesn't make it a stomp this has been talked about before.

Bloodlusted means goes for wincon not goes for the kill on this site

It's not a stomp since the character has a way to win they just might not take it in character which is not a stomp
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No, they don't. Knocking Thunder out knocks you out. Tying him up restrains you, etc. Saitama has no win cons.
 
The Wright Way said:
All of those things would incap Saitama as well. You tie Thunder up, you restrained too. That's how his powers work.
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That is incorrect. It only translates damage done to thunder and doesn't work if he's knocked out afaik
 
Very true. But they dont know the win con and its fairly obvious what they will choose to do. Thats spite.

Also true. But once again, they dont know what the wincon is without intel. And that doesnt even help pretty much all the characters listed above.

Anything they do to Thunder happens to them so its still an incon with neither having a chance to win, something the op should know. By stomp I meant for the person with intel on HtH, which if they can actually use it, then it is a stomp against Thunder.
 
I doubt that. I've seen knowledgeable members debate against incap many times as the person physically restraining Thunder would also get restrained.
 
I thought that the fight with Angra Mangyu was kind of make sense since Angra """"technically"""" has the same thing as McQueen as in reflect damage dealt from opponent.
 
Anyway, about this, I'm against it. It's their fault for having a battle style that prediliges harming and killing the opponent. A stomp is defined by when an opponent has no way to win a match, no matter what, which isn't a case here. It has been debated multiple times, and losses (or in this case, inconclusives) caused by the mindset of a character that lost aren't stomps.
 
Only, it's not the mindset that's the problem, it's that they can't win period, regardless of mindset.
 
Execpt as I said they could win

HtH transfers damage so tying up the opponent doesn't transfer and afaik it doesn't work if he is knocked out

Every character you listed had a way to win they just didn't use the wincon because of their in character attitude
 
HtH reflects any kind of damage. Just incap him in a way that doesn't cause damage to him (rope him but without pressuring his body or stuff like that), and you're done. Luckily you only need to incap for a day for it to be considered a win as otherwise the moment McQueen dies of hunger or thirst the opponent would be killed too.
 
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This is an example of him basically incapping himself without the opponent being affected (he was going to kill himself with electricity)
 
Without prior knowlage that's not a thing that would EVER happen in a match

hell, people argue even people like Batman would go for the kill
 
Fault of their mindset, but if they have a feasible way to win but not use it, that's their fault. For Example, Majora would be able to easily beat Thunder because he just likes to mess around and incapacitate via transmutation.
 
I highly doubt that 90% of the characters he stalemates would be even remotely capable of that hiven he's actively trying to resist them and get himself killed. Superman? Sure, he could probably manage. Thanos? Hell no, he doesn't have any feats of that level of precision.

I'm also not sure that's possible. How do you restrain someone without putting pressure on them? If the ropes aren't tight enough, he'd just squirm out.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Fault of their mindset, but if they have a feasible way to win but not use it, that's their fault. For Example, Majora would be able to easily beat Thunder because he just likes to mess around and incapacitate via transmutation.
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Either:

1. That is a clear stomp

2. People would say HtH reflects the trasmutation ... somehow
 
Yeah, the Majora example was a stomp, but I made it to show my point. Anything that doesn't cause damage or that doesn't eventually kill him is fair game. I HIGHLY doubt not even half of those characters don't have ways to just use any sort of hax or technique to just incap in any way.
 
Just going off my knowledge of the characters Luffy, Thanos, Goku, Saitama, Superman, and Tracer are all characters I know for a fact have no such technique. That's over half the characters chief.
 
Naruto can have his clones pin him for a day

Ichigo could just kill the stand in addition he can also incap by tying him up or something

Saitama is the same

Angra Mainyu could hypothetically do those things but I'm not sure if hth should even work on him

Luffy can stretch his arms and wrap around thunder

Thanos with the gauntlet can just prevent thunder from killing himself with rw and incap or seal him. W/o the gauntlet he could just do the same thing as the others

Goku has many ways to incap, in addition hth wouldn't work if goku tp'd thunder then tp'd back
 
"Naruto can have his clones pin him for a day"

That doesn't count as incap because Naruto's clones have to actively pin him down. Same with Luffy holding him down.
 
Luffy has empathic manipulation that he spams that can knock out thousands of people all at once, and in the thread where he fought Thunder someone mentioned that Thunder can transfer that too.
 
Yeah, considering you can't incap someone using a rope without using force there's no way Thunder wouldn't reflect the effect.
 
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