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He doesn't. Not against characters who instantly kill him just by moving vaguely in his direction. He simply wouldn't have time to "abuse HtH", thus, they are stomps.
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Thunder McQueen's Incons
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Highway to Hell works off of desire. He didn't even know he had the stand until the latter part of the arc and still targets an enemy. He will have time to use it as much as they have time to attack him
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Yes, he will have time to use HtH, but he won't have time to stab himself and then patch himself up to make his opponent die, because he'd just be instantly killed along with his opponent.
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Yeah, what's the issue? Both of the combatants just die almost as soon as the battle starts, so it isn't a stomp
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Isn't not having a win condition enough to be considered a stomp? Because Thunder doesn't have a win condition in those matches. He can incon, but can't win.
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Well, neither side really has a real win condition. If neither side has a win condition, then its just a stalemate.
The enemy nukes him from the start like a sly and suddenly their gut are just as splattered as he is
The enemy nukes him from the start like a sly and suddenly their gut are just as splattered as he is
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the opponets have win condictions, since they could just bear hug Thunder or something else and win via incap
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McQueen can just you know, run away while abusing hth
Most of his matches are speed equal so this is a valid strategy and even if it's unlikely the wincon exists for both him and his opponent making it not a stomp
Most of his matches are speed equal so this is a valid strategy and even if it's unlikely the wincon exists for both him and his opponent making it not a stomp
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you can't outrun an opponent with much greater agility then you
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Speed equal
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Speed =/= Agility
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How does greater agility help you catch someone equal in speed to you when you start 4km away in central park and they start running through trees
Also thunder can just break his legs and start crawling away to abuse hth as well
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you don't start at 4 km away by SBA, you start at the max range of the characters unless that range surpasses 4 KM
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Almost every opponent of McQueen has enough range to make sba 4km
Even if not just replace 4km with the max range of the characters and it's still the same
Even if not just replace 4km with the max range of the characters and it's still the same
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Confining him that way would also confine themselves.Overlord775 said:
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Unfortunately, this never really went anywhere.
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Oh yeah, this was a thing. Did we reach any form semi conclusion?
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I'm surprise there was such a debate
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Not really, it just sorta died.AnonymousBlank said:
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@Paul
Incap methods like KO, tying up, physical restraints, TK grab etc. actually get reflected due to HtH's position sharing. However, more esoteric stuff like transmutation, mindhax etc. work because they aren't physical in nature.
Incap methods like KO, tying up, physical restraints, TK grab etc. actually get reflected due to HtH's position sharing. However, more esoteric stuff like transmutation, mindhax etc. work because they aren't physical in nature.
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So, any effect done through a non-physical method can't be transferred?
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Yeah, as long as you don't cause injury and/or pain, it shouldn't transfer. Death Manip also should not transfer as long as you don't cause injury or pain
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Nah, Thunder being knocked down is absolutely getting replicated by position sharing. That being said, Luffy can likely get up after that, since only the falling to the ground got replicated and not the effect of haki on the mind.The Calaca said:
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The stand bio stats any kind of death is free game and even list starving as a type of death. If the former part is true, that's a vast amount of types of death seeing as how many ways exist to die in jojo, and it's a wog quote not a character quote so character info limitation doesnt apply. Although that's death, not incap, mindhax and the like should still work. Although the replicated position is permanent as long as Mcqueen is in that position. And HTH is subconcious and isnt controlled by Mcqueen, he doesnt even know that he has it, depending on the type and severity of the mindhax or hax in general if HTH still functions even after the hax then that's still a issue. It's a semi-autmatic long range stand that Mcqueen doesnt even know exists.
Make do with that information as you will.
Make do with that information as you will.
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