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So this was all being discussed in another thread that's a bit of mess with several topics being discussed and new possible ratings for the characters being brought up so I've made a new thread to make the discussion easier to follow.
In any case this will either end up with a lot of Zelda characters being heavily upgraded or heavily downgraded so here's what we got based on the previous thread and suggestions several users made and will affect all profiles currently rated as High 5-A.
High 5-A to 4-C
So during the Wind Waker you can, and have to, travel to Ganons fortress, even if it's day out the game automatically makes it night within a few seconds once you get there, leaving two options:
During Twilight Princess you eventually come face to face and battle Ganons biggest fan, Zant, and he uses his magic to change his throne room to resemble different locations found in Hyrule, leaving us with again two options:
These would be the options for the High 5-A characters should we decide the High 5-A to High 4-C feats are illegitimate due to reasons like lack of evidence or maybe it's decided the feats are outliers or something and can't be used. High 6-A is via scaling from Levias, 5-C is assuming the endless night story event Ganon causes in the Wind Waker is him stopping the planets rotation (This was calced at 5-C but I can't remember where), Low 5-B would be via scaling from the Four Giants (The thread about upgrading base MM Link mentions that ad a possible scaling point), and 5-A is via scaling to Calamity Ganon and his moon moving feat.
So yeah, either upgrades to as high as Large Star level or downgrades to as low as Multi-Continent level, pretty major stuff. There's obviously some compromises to made here, DarkDragonMedeus for example suggested "At least 5-C, possibly High 5-A to 4-C" as a possible rating we can give them, but who knows what they'll end up at.
In any case this will either end up with a lot of Zelda characters being heavily upgraded or heavily downgraded so here's what we got based on the previous thread and suggestions several users made and will affect all profiles currently rated as High 5-A.
High 5-A to 4-C
So during the Wind Waker you can, and have to, travel to Ganons fortress, even if it's day out the game automatically makes it night within a few seconds once you get there, leaving two options:
- A: Ganondorf is either rotating the planet (Which is what we currently accept for out current High 5-A ratings) or moving the sun and moon to the other side of the planet to create night since we visibly see the sun setting and moon rising at high speeds (4:08 mark) when the sudden change to night happens. The sun moving interpretation would have to be treated as equal to the planet rotation interpretation since neither have any evidence over the over as it's never actually stated what's exactly happening here.
- B: This is just game mechanics that automatically makes it night to set up an oppressing atmosphere since there's no reason for Ganon to randomly make it night via such extreme means and nothing in the game or outside sources even acknowledge the quick change from day to night or even imply that Ganon is for no reason rotating planets or moving celestial bodies, meaning Ganondorf never actually moves anything.
During Twilight Princess you eventually come face to face and battle Ganons biggest fan, Zant, and he uses his magic to change his throne room to resemble different locations found in Hyrule, leaving us with again two options:
- A: Zant the twilight realm into different areas across Hyrule warps the twilight realm into different areas across Hyrule including an area with a sun (9:00 mark), therefore all the High 5-A characters should be upgraded to High 4-C.
- B: Zant is simply teleporting you and himself to the actual areas in Hyrule rather than warping the Twilight Realm and creating a sun or he's using high level illusion creation to make his throne room look like these areas.
These would be the options for the High 5-A characters should we decide the High 5-A to High 4-C feats are illegitimate due to reasons like lack of evidence or maybe it's decided the feats are outliers or something and can't be used. High 6-A is via scaling from Levias, 5-C is assuming the endless night story event Ganon causes in the Wind Waker is him stopping the planets rotation (This was calced at 5-C but I can't remember where), Low 5-B would be via scaling from the Four Giants (The thread about upgrading base MM Link mentions that ad a possible scaling point), and 5-A is via scaling to Calamity Ganon and his moon moving feat.
So yeah, either upgrades to as high as Large Star level or downgrades to as low as Multi-Continent level, pretty major stuff. There's obviously some compromises to made here, DarkDragonMedeus for example suggested "At least 5-C, possibly High 5-A to 4-C" as a possible rating we can give them, but who knows what they'll end up at.
