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So in this thread we can mess around with multipliers in Dragon Ball. Multipliers are known to be inconsistent, mainly ssj2 and 3 so because of that they're not accepted on the wiki. In this thread however we can go in depth on how strong we think these transformations are. I'll start with my massive example down below.
First we have the baseline of the multipliers and that's ssj. It's 50x multiplier is very credible. Goku got 20x stronger with the Kaio-Ken and was somewhat comparable to 50% Frieza. Ssj is 2.5x stronger than the Kaio-Ken 20x because Goku was actually superior to 100% Frieza but wasn't at his fullest because of his long battle with Frieza and ssj without training burns through a lot of energy.
Next we have ssj grade 2 and this is very simple. We know that ssj Vegeta wasn't enough to beat semi Cell but grade 2 absolutely demolished him. It's hard to put an exact number so lowballing would put it at 2x.
Next is Grade 3 and for this one, I'll use a method that is a very common method people use. And that's El Manga Legendario. It states that Trunks becomes 10x stronger than grade 2 making it 20x stronger than ssj. This is in now way contradicted and isn't a stretch because Trunks was stronger than Cell with this form by quite a large margin.
Next is Grade 4, this doesn't really have a multiplier, it's just ssj but better stamina, emotional control and training growth. Due to its advantages Goku and Gohan at half power surpass grade 2 Vegeta. To even things out let's say that they were 2.5x stronger than Vegeta at half power, making them overall 5x stronger than grade 2 Vegeta but still weaker than grade 3 Trunks.
Now we have ssj2 and it should easily be 20x ssj as well because it should be at least equal to grade 3 in terms of a multiplier. It makes no sense for a form superior to grades 1 and 2 to be inferior to grade 3. There's also the fact that ssj2 Gohan at half power was much stronger than grade 3 Trunks. Ssj2 Gohan at half power also vaporized super Perfect Cell who's way stronger than perfect Cell and grade 3 Trunks. Ssj2 is a form that maintains energy like grade 4, has a tremendous power up like grade 3 and has a speed increase like grade 2, it has all the good qualities of each grade. There's even the fact that Cell also has a grade 3 form because he told Trunks he can do the same thing, and also has saiyan cells. Cell uses this for against Gohan but still gets one shot while Gohan is still holding back, so ssj2 being 20x ssj isn't too far fetched.
Next we have ssj3 and I actually have a pretty solid analysis for this one. I'm sure we know that self destruction in Dragon Ball makes your energy output much much stronger than your average. For this I'll use android 16 as an example. 16 is on the level of imperfect Cell, however his self destruction was said to be able to blow up Cell. Let's say that 16 is equal to ssj Vegeta at the time. If the self destruction can kill Cell, then that would make 16 10x stronger with self destruction. Vegeta with his self destruction was on the level of Majin Buu and ssj3 Goku could beat Buu if he went all out. If Goku's ssj3 is at least on par with Vegeta's final explosion, then that makes ssj3 at least 10x stronger than ssj2. Ssj3 should also be stronger than a super Kaio-Ken 20x because Goku trained and preferred to use ssj3 over the Kaio-Ken even though they both have the same risks.
This is just the beginning of stupidly large increases in power. I didn't even mention things like UI, fusion, the Kaio-Ken and legendary Broly, think of the possibilities and have fun.
First we have the baseline of the multipliers and that's ssj. It's 50x multiplier is very credible. Goku got 20x stronger with the Kaio-Ken and was somewhat comparable to 50% Frieza. Ssj is 2.5x stronger than the Kaio-Ken 20x because Goku was actually superior to 100% Frieza but wasn't at his fullest because of his long battle with Frieza and ssj without training burns through a lot of energy.
Next we have ssj grade 2 and this is very simple. We know that ssj Vegeta wasn't enough to beat semi Cell but grade 2 absolutely demolished him. It's hard to put an exact number so lowballing would put it at 2x.
Next is Grade 3 and for this one, I'll use a method that is a very common method people use. And that's El Manga Legendario. It states that Trunks becomes 10x stronger than grade 2 making it 20x stronger than ssj. This is in now way contradicted and isn't a stretch because Trunks was stronger than Cell with this form by quite a large margin.
Next is Grade 4, this doesn't really have a multiplier, it's just ssj but better stamina, emotional control and training growth. Due to its advantages Goku and Gohan at half power surpass grade 2 Vegeta. To even things out let's say that they were 2.5x stronger than Vegeta at half power, making them overall 5x stronger than grade 2 Vegeta but still weaker than grade 3 Trunks.
Now we have ssj2 and it should easily be 20x ssj as well because it should be at least equal to grade 3 in terms of a multiplier. It makes no sense for a form superior to grades 1 and 2 to be inferior to grade 3. There's also the fact that ssj2 Gohan at half power was much stronger than grade 3 Trunks. Ssj2 Gohan at half power also vaporized super Perfect Cell who's way stronger than perfect Cell and grade 3 Trunks. Ssj2 is a form that maintains energy like grade 4, has a tremendous power up like grade 3 and has a speed increase like grade 2, it has all the good qualities of each grade. There's even the fact that Cell also has a grade 3 form because he told Trunks he can do the same thing, and also has saiyan cells. Cell uses this for against Gohan but still gets one shot while Gohan is still holding back, so ssj2 being 20x ssj isn't too far fetched.
Next we have ssj3 and I actually have a pretty solid analysis for this one. I'm sure we know that self destruction in Dragon Ball makes your energy output much much stronger than your average. For this I'll use android 16 as an example. 16 is on the level of imperfect Cell, however his self destruction was said to be able to blow up Cell. Let's say that 16 is equal to ssj Vegeta at the time. If the self destruction can kill Cell, then that would make 16 10x stronger with self destruction. Vegeta with his self destruction was on the level of Majin Buu and ssj3 Goku could beat Buu if he went all out. If Goku's ssj3 is at least on par with Vegeta's final explosion, then that makes ssj3 at least 10x stronger than ssj2. Ssj3 should also be stronger than a super Kaio-Ken 20x because Goku trained and preferred to use ssj3 over the Kaio-Ken even though they both have the same risks.
This is just the beginning of stupidly large increases in power. I didn't even mention things like UI, fusion, the Kaio-Ken and legendary Broly, think of the possibilities and have fun.
