Gold Experience Requiem Speed & AP Re Considerations

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

(Most of my points in this thread have been asked on LK's wall)

Lets get into the Speed category first. As that one is a more easily solved answer.

Basically while time was erased throughout our universe via KC, GER was perfectly capable of moving around and even speaking. After a chat with Don'tTalk this feat alone is around 'Immesuarable-Infinte 'Speed. Mostly due to moving outside the regular flow of time etc.

The AP re consideration is from GER striking Diavolo, sending his death to 0 keeping him in a infinite death loop. However each death Diavolo expierences differs greatly from the last such as being stabbed,ran over and even being alive during his own autopsy. It would seem that GER is creating these paralell worlds/universes to keep Diavolo in due to some of the bizzare natures of his deaths.Therefore his range of multiversal would also apply to his AP as well.

DontTalk · Mar 11, 2016

Just to make the first answer:

As said I am rather uncertain about the speed thing being immeasurable. Spontanous input on the AP: Do we even know that this are real deaths and not just mind stuff? Alternatively I am sceptical about universe creation just like this if it otherwise isn't implied to be an ability of him. It seems to notable for that.

But then again I don't know anything about verse or character so ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

CrossverseCrisis · Mar 11, 2016

Just gonna leave this here....

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

DontTalk said:
Just to make the first answer:
As said I am rather uncertain about the speed thing being immeasurable. Spontanous input on the AP: Do we even know that this are real deaths and not just mind stuff? Alternatively I am sceptical about universe creation just like this if it otherwise isn't implied to be an ability of him. It seems to notable for that.

But then again I don't know anything about verse or character so ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

Yeah good point. There are no stated sentances that say that GER is indeed creating these Universes. And most of the factors such as Diavolo being shifted into a new paralell world with each death (Remembers how he has died inc the pain of it) and also the new situations of death Diavolo has to deal with don't really solidify GER creating Universes. However if these factors do heavily point towards creation then it can be used I guess.

Also yeah I worded the speed things quite badly eh xD. Probably Immesuarable-Infinite. Would of been much better,

TheMightyRegulator · Mar 11, 2016

Infinite speed. Not immeasurable as to qualify you'd need to have two temporal dimensions as well as exist outside of space which consists of three extra dimensions, not just time.

Woah, was it stated he was creating alternate universes? Several characters such as Gabriel from Supernatural have done the same thing and they certainly aren't rated that high.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

CrossverseCrisis said:
Just gonna leave this here....

Link ain't working. Either a goof or broken link.

CrossverseCrisis · Mar 11, 2016

Calling me names like that and i will block you sooner, Austrian. Here.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

CrossverseCrisis said:
Calling me names like that and i will block you sooner, Austrian. Here.

I was not calling you names. By "Goof" I meant you just making a mistake on sending the link. Also LK never really mentions anything about the Infinite time loop of death stuff despite it's range. The possibillity of it creating these universes was never really asked by anyone there.

CrossverseCrisis · Mar 11, 2016

Whatever. I'll just let the community decide on this shit cause i'm officially done with JJBA threads.

Promestein · Mar 11, 2016

I'm not sure if the GER death loop can really be quantified. I think Giorno's good where he is.

DontTalk · Mar 11, 2016

Actually multiversal would require multiple universes to be created at once, so loop things would just be universal. But without further proof for universe creation I would really not take that part of his ability like that.

For Speed I would also wonder how it is in non erased time. As said it could really be just resistence to that type of events.

Infinite speed I would generally disagree with, as that is a definition that only works if there is time.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

Promestein said:
I'm not sure if the GER death loop can really be quantified.

It's all really a question of if the Death loop creates these paralel worlds for Diavolo to die in which would at the least be Multi Universal-Multiverse. Or if it just shoves Diavolo into different ones.

Promestein · Mar 11, 2016

It can be argued either way, as there isn't really any evidence to support either side.

However, we go with the low ends unless the high ends are more likely. If anything, GER should get a "possibly higher".

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

Promestein said:
It can be argued either way, as there isn't really any evidence to support either side.
However, we go with the low ends unless the high ends are more likely. If anything, GER should get a "possibly higher".

Yeah that would make sense.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

DontTalk said:
Actually multiversal would require multiple universes to be created at once, so loop things would just be universal. But without further proof for universe creation I would really not take that part of his ability like that.
For Speed I would also wonder how it is in non erased time. As said it could really be just resistence to that type of events.

Infinite speed I would generally disagree with, as that is a definition that only works if there is time.

Gold Expierence is like FTL to MFTL due to it's A rank in speed.

However Gold Expierence Requiem is quite an engima. However OBD also lists GER as having infinite speeds due to it being able to move throughout the Erased Time.

Also to nullify timestops within the JoJo verse it would require the use of a similar working stand. A good example is Jotaro using his time stop to counter DIO's. So I guess the same logic would apply towards Time Erasure. We even have the same ranges on both (universal) btw.

However GER has not shown itself to be the same stand as KC at all and cannot erase time whatsoever from the looks of it. However before it even used its abilities of cause and effect to reverse the erasure it was perfectly capable of moving within an enviroment without time.

TheMightyRegulator · Mar 11, 2016

Probably or at most. We don't use possibly anymore.

Promestein · Mar 11, 2016

Given that the peak of GER's power would be indeterminable, it'd probably be best to use 'probably'.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

Promestein said:
Given that the peak of GER's power would be indeterminable, it'd probably be best to use 'probably'.

Low 2C-Probably 2C or at most 2B

Something like that?

Promestein · Mar 11, 2016

"Low 2-C. Probably higher." or "At least Low 2-C".

TheMightyRegulator · Mar 11, 2016

No, At Least would imply he's most likely more powerful than the standard low 2-C character. We're not sure about that.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

Promestein said:
"Low 2-C. Probably higher." or "At least Low 2-C".

Low 2-C. Probably higher would get the point across better. And in the notes I can link this thread to why its like that,

Promestein · Mar 11, 2016

"Low 2-C. Probably higher", then.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

Alright. Now that the tier thing seems to be sorted its the speed we should think about.

GER was stated to be able to move throughout the Erased Time even before it used its casualty hax. Which should indicate atleast infinite speeds.

TheMightyRegulator · Mar 11, 2016

According to Don't talk:

DontTalk said:
Infinite speed I would generally disagree with, as that is a definition that only works if there is time.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

Hmm any clue what this is? Being able to move while time does not exist should equate to something

TheMightyRegulator · Mar 11, 2016

No clue. I'll have to ask one of our dimensional theory experts.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

TheMightyRegulator said:
No clue. I'll have to ask one of our dimensional theory experts.

Alright. While this is being done shall I change Gio's tier to Low 2-C probably higher and provide a note on why with a link to this thread?

TheMightyRegulator · Mar 11, 2016

Gio is locked. You'd need admin approval for that.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 11, 2016

TheMightyRegulator said:
Gio is locked. You'd need admin approval for that.

I think they should see we came to a conclusion on this thread. But yeah I will wait it out.

Antvasima · Mar 12, 2016

No. We should not change Gio's profile to a higher tier. DarkLK has stated that he was strictly Low 2-C via hax, with multiversal range.

Which makes sense. Either he simply overcame a Low 2-C being, and sent him across preexisting parallel worlds, or he created them himself, one at a time.

As for the speed, it seems to be unquantifiable, but definitely isn't immeasurable.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 12, 2016

Antvasima said:
No. We should not change Gio's profile to a higher tier. DarkLK has stated that he was strictly Low 2-C via hax, with multiversal range.
Which makes sense. Either he simply overcame a Low 2-C being, and sent him across preexisting parallel worlds, or he created them himself, one at a time.

As for the speed, it seems to be unquantifiable, but definitely isn't immeasurable.

Yeah there was no case of Diavolo dying simultaneously in different paralal worlds. So Low 2-C should do the job.Should we get rid of the unknown tier then? As that was probably made with the Death Loop feat in mind.

Also Mighty said something about contacting dimensional experts on the matter of its speed so we should wait until further notice. If you happen to be one of these dimensional experts forgive my ignorance xD.

TheMightyRegulator · Mar 12, 2016

Well, DarkLK is our consultant. He's the official expert here but Azathoth is quite knowledgeable about these sort of affairs as well so I ask for his advice whenever possible.

They both agree it would be infinite speed.

DarkLK said:
Basically the same thing like with someone who is moving in the stopped time. Infinite speed.

Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Fairly certain infinite, as Zoom is classified as such.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 12, 2016

TheMightyRegulator said:
Well, DarkLK is our consultant. He's the official expert here but Azathoth is quite knowledgeable about these sort of affairs as well so I ask for his advice whenever possible.
They both agree it would be infinite speed.

DarkLK said:

Basically the same thing like with someone who is moving in the stopped time. Infinite speed.

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Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:

Fairly certain infinite, as Zoom is classified as such.

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Ahh I see. So we have two knowledgable people in favour of Infinite Speed.

Antvasima · Mar 12, 2016

I have inserted Infinite speed for Gold Experience Requiem.

The_Wandering_Shepherd · Mar 12, 2016

An important thing to consider is GER's ability: Turn actions back to zero. There is nothing implying some sort of Universe creation. When GER hits an opponent, the target will experience his death repeatedly over and over again, he won't die over and over again. The moment of his death is turned to zero, so his enemies are trapped in that moment.

Regarding his speed, we should remember again the power of GER. The effect of King Crimson won't allow time to exist, since it is erased. GER turns the effect to zero, so he still can move, as if the time weren't erased. Anyway, this reasoning still can exist along with the theory of infinite speed, since it wouldn't go against GER's ability description.

Simply by the existence of GER's ability description, this level of reasoning is possible for The Wandering Shepherd.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 12, 2016

However as I said previously GER was moving before he used his abilitiy to restore time again. Also each death differed greatly from the last. No deaths were repeated at all.

The_Wandering_Shepherd · Mar 12, 2016

We can't be sure that his ability wasn't already active, like a "passive ever-working" power. That is the reason why I said it could be either way, GER's power or infinite speed.

Antvasima · Mar 12, 2016

DarkLK thinks that it is infinite speed. That is good enough for me.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 12, 2016

The Wandering Shepherd said:
We can't be sure that his ability wasn't already active, like a "passive ever-working" power. That is the reason why I said it could be either way, GER's power or infinite speed.

There are two times within the manga that GER was in King Crimson's power.

The first time KC was used GER used its abillity via restoring time practically nullyfying KC.

The second time KC was used Diavolo was incredibley shocked at how GER managed to move within the erased time even saying "Only I should be able to move in the erased time!"

So the summary is when GER uses its ability it would completely nullify the affect and not just make him move within the erased time. As shown in these two scans.

The_Wandering_Shepherd · Mar 12, 2016

Yeah, you have a point there. Anyway, as I said, I don't mind if it is considered as infinite speed.

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