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Infinite Rotation High 3-A Downgrade Decision Thread (STAFF ONLY)

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This thread has gone for almost 400 replies and a decision needs to be made.

It would be appreciated if staff could read through the entire thread and say whether they agree or disagree with the downgrade so that staff can talk it over and come to a conclusion.

Thank you
 
Not familiar with the verse, so I'm neutral overall. But reading the first half of the thread and skimming through the rest, I think reasonings for the downgrade make sense. So neutral but leaning towards agreeing with the downgrade.
 
I was following the thread and as it stands I disagree with rewarding a High 3-A tier to the ability. It has no capability to capitalize on that High 3-A AP regardless and seems to imply Monarch's definition moreso than Professor's.

I'm fine with adding it as an Unknown as others suggested as it is obviously a physical thing. As others have said, Accelerator is indeed a precedent and considering the decent debating on either side this is plausible.
 
For the record, my stance is clear in that thread.

Unknown, at least 8-C.
 
My apologies that I am unable to help out, but I am very tired and don't have the time to read so many posts.
 
Perhaps you could summarise the arguments in a post here to help get more feedback?
 
Antvasima said:
Perhaps you could summarise the arguments in a post here to help get more feedback?
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The post covered a lot, so that would be hard. I also am not sure I would trust either side to summarise the others point with how many times they miss represented or missinterprited the other through out this thread. This is coming from someone who trusts both Professor Lord and Monarch on a usual basis
 
Well, maybe each of them could make a summary post here regarding their respective arguments then, without doing anything more than that?
 
That seems like a potentially good idea. However, a lot went down, so it is definitely recommended that people read the post. A lot of this just how you interpret different terms and cosmological elements
 
It seems more realistic if each of them write summary posts here.
 
I'll do my best.

There is only one reference to infinite force (which is the requirement for high 3-A) in the entire Jojo's manga, which comes from the description of tusk 4, which mentions it has an infinite amount of rotational energy.

However, every other time the word "infinity" or "infinite" has been used in Part 7, it always refers to something that continues or lasts forever rather than something with infinite power behind it. Every time the "power of infinity" that the Zepellis are trying to achieve is mentioned, it is directly linked to and stated to be only achievable by following the concept of the golden spin, which is repeatedly called as a spiral that continues "infinitely". Gyro even mentions that to achieve the infinite rotation, you need to spin the balls with the golden spin. Clearly it points towards the balls never stopping spinning. So my argument is that the series defines what it means for something to be "infinite" as lasting forever rather than having High 3-A power, and thus this reference to "an infinite amount of rotational energy" is actually saying it's a never-ending amount of rotational energy. Something the description also corroborates, clarifying that it's capable of lasting indefinitely.

The infinite rotation and golden spin's background also points to it being something that lasts forever rather than something with literally infinite joules of force behind it. The Zepellis wanted the infinite rotation for use in medicine and execution. In medicine, the steel balls can already do things like give motion to crippled limbs. Being able to make these effects last forever rather than having them run out after the spinning stops is a lot clearer and simpler medicinal use than assuming that hitting someone with infinite joules of force is somehow going to heal them. And as for execution, the steel balls aren't actually used as weapons, their body control abilities are used to immobilise the victim so the executioner can use a sword to quickly decapitate them. Something that holds the victim still for as long as the executioner needs because it continues forever once started also sounds like what they'd be aiming for.

I have scans for everything in the series that I've talked about, but I thought the summary post would be quicker without them. If anyone wants the scans, I'll link you the comment in the original thread where I've used them.
 
Okay. Thank you. I think that seems to make sense.
 
Yes, feel free to do so.
 
I also think Monarch makes sense, High 3-A sounds like it would come from Damage Stacking; which is where X number of consecutive hits is treated/stacked as X times Attack Potency. As well as treating Durability as a linear HP health system which is now durability works outside of game mechanics. Tanking 8-C punches is only a Building level durability feat regardless of whether it's two hits or a Googleplex number of hits; the latter is more stamina rather than durability. On topic, a character with around 8-A durability even should be just about immune to punches 8-C and below outside of durability negation.

So at best, the infinite time loop is more like a speed and/or hax feat rather than an attack potency one.
 
@Dark

Small nip pick, but it isn't a time loop or anything like that. And a 8-A would not necessarily be immune to damage from an 8-C, if the hits are repeated over a long enough period of time. Tusk Act 4 negates durability anyway
 
I suppose that you can write a summary as well.
 
I would appreciate if somebody asks all of our bureaucrats, administrators, and discussion moderators to comment here via their message walls.

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I'm still on the "just call it hax and not AP" party, which is probably just me.

As I've said before there is no difference between an infinite number of 3-A attacks and 8-C attacks. While the end-sum is infinite, yes, that's true of anything that lasts indefinitly. Per second it could be absolutely anything above zero, any Johnny Boi's AP seems like the best assumption.

Again it seems like it's just negating dura; it's just a change in linguistics in 90% of the cases, where the other 10% is for characters who resist said hax.
 
As said on one of the previous threads about this topic, I'm leaning towards agreeing with removing the removing High 3-A.

I also agree with Dargoo Faust, it sounds like hax.
 
I agree with Monarch Laciel's perspective.
 
Neutral, but if "infinite force" does mean literally infinite force, no reason to remove it.
 
People haven't even checked the previoius thread, or heard the apposing reasons. People should wait for the other side to comment their summery
 
Considering the amount of kudos on DMUA's thread, most seem to have silently agreed to read that thread. Most that have said something more creative than "neutral" do seem to have read the last thread, and those saying "neutral" seem disinterested in handling the situation.
 
Halfway through reading the wall of text, and all I got of note from it is this:

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INFINITE DAMAGE!!!

The ability grants an infinite amount of energy, but Monarch's take leads to the infinite being with regards to a span of time, not of power at a given moment. With this in mind, the most logical thing in my mind is Monarch's, that it has X amount of energy per given time, looped up to continue giving this exact amount of energy, forever.

That said, the memes are about as much as I know about Jojo so that's as much as I can make of it.
 
@gemmy but the problem with that is that infinite energy over an unknown timeframe is still infinite damage because infinity divided by a time is still infinite.
 
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