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More Ace stuff

After giving the Light Novel and the Manga a read I discovered a few interesting things, mainly about potential abilities Ace could get and the temperature of his flames for his strongest attacks and for what he can withstand.


1: - Temperature ( accepted)

Let's start out with his temperature. In Ace's fight against Blackbeard near the end Ace's unleashed his Dai Enkai Entei. A massive ball of fire that resembles the Sun. This is Ace strongest and hottest attack. In the middle of the Entei its nothing but pure White Flames that are 5700C. Why is this interesting? Ace doesn't have many heat feats so this would help to figure out how hot his flames are, at least for his strongest attack. This would also scale to his resistance since he's able to resist such temperatures, Ace wouldn't be the only one who's effected by this but it would scale to Akainu who directly over powered his heat resistance and it would be consistent with him being able to vaporize steel just by being near it.
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2: - Possible Accelerated Development and Reactive Power Level ( Still in discussio)


Now these are two abilities that he could add, they could sever as abilities on thier own or be used to upgrade his intelligence and skill section.


Accelerated Development comes from Ace being able to learn how to control his Devil Fruit powers within several days.


Here's how it's worded in the novel.


Several days passes, and Ace's continues to be unsuccessful with escaping from Sixis. While Deuce cannot find any food or water he sees Ace holding a fruit on the beach and decides to kill him for the fruit. However before he can attack with a tree branch his stomach growls and Ace notices him and thinks he came back to help build a raft, offering him his fruit. Deuce feels guilty about his intented actions and refuses to accept the fruit. But once he recolines his differences with Ace the two decide to share it. It tastes horrible but Deuce discovers that Ace's body is on fire, afterwards they realize the fruit that they ate was the Mera Mera No Mi. Several Days later Ace has learned how to control his flames and the Duo build a ship called the Striker.


As for the reactive power level I can't copy and paste it here but I can post where I found it.
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Ace is getting stronger... I wonder how many times we've fought...


Fun fact Ace also managed to burn Whitebeard to an extent who could stand near Akainu's magma without any effect.


3: - Enhanced senses or extra sensory Perception (rejected)


This one is pretty straightforward, I do think that enhanced senses is the better option tho. Back during the Alabasta saga Ace jumped over several massive ships and landed on his much smaller ship perfectly.
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1. Can you provide the scan for where it says Entei reaches 5700? flames aren't supposed to get that high normaly.

2. I wouldn't be surprised if Ace has accelerated development given how young he was. I remmeber reading different devil fruits have different learning curves though and I think the phrase in the novel is too generic to count.

3. I'm pretty sure many manga/etc characters perform such feats without having enhanced senses. :S I don't ruleout enhanced seneses but I would attribute that to observation haki if he has it.
 
1- Temperature: I'll let other people discuss about this one. I'm neutral.

2- Accelerated Development: As you've said, this is AD or an intelligence upgrade.

Luffy's case took years to develop his skills and we know how good he was before (he wasn't). But considering Sabo learned the same thing in less than a day I think he's the one who should've the AD while Ace should've an intelligence upgrade.

As for the Reactive Power Level, the case I pointed to you about it it's Ace's fight agaisnt Draw in the novel. Here's the summary of said chapter and it's at page 3 where it's stated Ace's RPL.

3- Not sure if that's enhanced senses at all.
 
1: Flame temperature is based on the flame color temperature index, white flames burn at such temperatures.


2: Well as I said it's either he can get Accelerated Development or an intellect upgrade for learning how to control it within a few days. But Sabo should certainly get it for being able to learn how to use it instantly.


3: Fair enough.


4: Pretty sure that's Enhanced senses, without it he wouldn't be able to sense where it was.
 
He just sent his board in a straight line underwater to where he would land, right? I'm not sure if that's enough to qualify for enhanced senses.
 
I think it would be more than enough, to be able to do such a thing would either require some forum of enhanced senses.


What do you think about the rest Damage?
 
I think that it is an intelligence feat for Ace, but not really Accelerated Development.

Some Devil Fruits seem pretty quick and easy to master.

And Luffy taking a few years to develop his power just might be due to him being younger / stupider than Ace.

I'm neutral on the temperature stuff.
 
Currently undecided about enhanced senses but the temperature and Accelerated Development seems fine if he can get control of his DF in a few days
 
Js250476 said:
Currently undecided about enhanced senses but the temperature and Accelerated Development seems fine if he can get control of his DF in a few days
Kalifa and Kaku managed to control their Devil Fruits in a few hours...
 
Damage3245 said:
I think that it is an intelligence feat for Ace, but not really Accelerated Development.

Some Devil Fruits seem pretty quick and easy to master.

And Luffy taking a few years to develop his power just might be due to him being younger / stupider than Ace.

I'm neutral on the temperature stuff.


Fair enough, all that seems fine, at the very least Sabo should gain Accelerated Development for being able to control his power that day. And what do you think about the Reactive Power level? His temperature isn't that important since it wouldn't be noted on his profile, just gives us a idea how what his resistance and strongest attack scales to.
 
Reactive Power Level isn't appropriate based on that alone. All it says is that Ace gets stronger, which applies to just about every character.
 
@Damage

Yeah, it's more like an intelligence upgrade. In any case, the AD should go to Sabo for learning how to control the DF faster than Ace.

While it's true that DF's have different curves of learning the difference between Sabo and Ace is pretty clear.

Kaku and Kalifa are trained assassins since they are childs. They have decades of experience dealing with unfortunate situations.

Even then Kaku made a mistake when transforming into a giraffe the first time and had some problems against Zoro. Remember the Pasta Machine.
 
Hmm alright so from what I can see what everyone agrees on or is alright with are Ace's Dai Enkai Entei temperature, resistance and scales to Akainu, Ace's intelligence upgrade.


The undecided one seem to be Accelerated Development and Reactive Power Level.


Enhanced senses seems to be rejected.
 
I'm also inclined to say that The Logias Devil Fruits are more difficult to learn and control then let's say Paramecia Fruit given how they're much stronger and much more rare. The only fruits I can think of that would be harder to control would be Mystical Zoan Fruits. So I still think Accelerated Development should be on the table, for Sabo at least. Naruto and Ichigo have the ability for similar reasons so I don't see why Ace and Sabo should be rejected it but I'm also fine with it being an Intel upgrade for Ace.
 
IIRC Ichigo does have AD for learning Bankai in three days while the rest of the Shinigamis needs years if not decades. Maybe misremembering. And the same goes for Naruto. Those two are great examples of AD.

Considering we haven't seen any other logia users learning how to use their fruits I think Ace's case is a bit difficult to confirm as AD. Sabo, in the other hand, should have it.
 
Sabo gets the accelerated dev over Ace.

I'm kind of indifferent about the tempature until someone practically applies it and thermodynamics are calculated :S

I will point out that if that is his strongest attack and its not a physical one I wouldn't apply it to his durability, but again no calc so I really don't care right now.

No to enhanced senses.

No to explosion manipulation.

Yes to homing attacks (Limited)

Yes to light manipulation (Limited)

Reactive PL if I'm understanding it right applies to basically all OP characters or none at all :S
 
The RPL isn't entirely necessary since every Haki user is able to do it and Ace has Armament and Conqueror.
 
Novel is canon? Iirc novel stat that ace can use other haki while in data card the haki thing was missing
 
The novel was supervised by Oda and published by Shueisha. The Databook isn't contradicting the novel even if it skips that kind of information.
 
Ace's flame Temperature should just simply scale from Sabo since that literally the same davil fruit
 
It's published and released by Shueisha so yes it's the official scans. And I don't remember what chapter this happened, I'd have to look.


@Ryope


Sabo's resistance scales, his normal flame temperature doesn't quite reach as high since he can't use Entei.
 
Rin The Dragon Empress said:
It's published and released by Shueisha so yes it's the official scans. And I don't remember what chapter this happened, I'd have to look.

@Ryope


Sabo's resistance scales, his normal flame temperature doesn't quite reach as high since he can't use Entei.
Sabo was able to vaporize a huge amount of water in his first attemp to use his Danil Fruit,no idea how hot is that that but that at least 1000+ C
 
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