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No... He just stood their like luffy and nullified and regenerated the attack... Similar to a logia. Whenever one uses haki, he dodges via using future sight by morphing
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Ace Future Sight
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This is where you lose me. Why is future sight needed when it's just them moving their element around?
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If it was as simple as that then logia’s would be just as untouchable in the new world hell enel and crocodile should have been doing it when fighting luffy if it was that simple. But it an’t
Ya they have to have future sight in order to morph there bodies around Haki attacks
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no they don't... Shown with ceasar clown
Because their not fast enough to do it... And Enel was basically doing it via normal obs Haki
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Ceaser moved out of the way, he an’t morph and if he could do it so easily he should have been doing it through out there fight
Ya which is why they need future sight
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Crocodile did it to Luffy here.
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You mean when luffy didn’t have water or blood to spar?
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He's not fast enough and also doesn't have obs Haki, he was able to there because luffy charged up the attack
They just need normal obs haki
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We know he didn't displace the sand. When he does we see the sand getting sent backwards because of the force of Luffy's attacks.
Even the anime supports Crocodile morphing his body around Luffy's attack there.
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And thus the need for future sight.Ya and he still didn’t morph
If only enel could morph his body for luffy’s attacksThey just need normal obs haki
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That’s great, did he do it when Luffy could actually touch him?
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I thought the issue was that people either aren't fast enough or that because people don't do it future sight was needed?
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He basically did...
Like what... do you want Enel to change his lightning property to mochi? Because he can't morph similar to katakuri or even like crocodile as it's energy his manipulating not something that moves tangibly
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His left fist is colored, it's just a bit hard to see.He used arm haki
I don't even need to translate, the image speaks for itself (wait nevermind... I'm seeing shit, I thought his hand were colored)
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Logia need future sight to actually morph around attacks that can touch them. Crodiclie clearly couldn’t and enel didn’t
he literally dodged what are you talking about?He basically did...
Like what... do you want Enel to change his lightning property to mochi? Because he can't morph similar to katakuri or even like crocodile as it's energy his manipulating not something that moves tangibly
that’s clearly not the case as you can see with the lack of an abdomen
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Ok then... Here you goLogia need future sight to actually morph around attacks that can touch them. Crodiclie clearly couldn’t and enel didn’t
he literally dodged what are you talking about?
that’s clearly not the case as you can see with the lack of an abdomen
And he's currently only an intermediate obs Haki user.
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Honestly all three of the admirals probably have future sightOk then... Here you go
And he's currently only an intermediate obs Haki user.
And when did he display Obs haki?
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When he used enhanced hearing to know that the ships are coming and it's stated on his vivrecard, I don't remember more but he should have some scaling as well
Doesn't matter... There's currently no proof
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Alright, then I have to ask at what point was Ace keeping up an image of "invincibility" in the new world against haki users? I've read the scan you posted in the OP and it doesn't state that anywhere, all BB said is that for ace it has likely been a while since he was punched, this is specifically referencing the fact he's a logia user not that he's some hakiman who dodges all attacks (otherwise bb taking his fruit powers would be meaningless since Ace could still dodge attacks with future sight regardless)
Also "morphing" ones body seems irrelevant here (not only is it not something you need future sight to achieve) but Ace in the scan you claim was a display of future sight just showed him dodging out of the way normally rather than morphing his body like katakuri.
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To the user, yes it does
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Hmm, ok
True, but it is quite odd how enel never did the same thing but whatever
Ya his been untouched for awhile in the new world despite being a logia
No but to use it and not get hit is something you would need future sight to do. I’d image it be pretty hard to morph out of the way of a giant attack
Since when ?
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This is what happens when you watch one pace 
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Two piece actuallyThis is what happens when you watch one pace
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I don't think it does, not saying Ace has FS or anything though.
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Psure we see pre timeskip luffy doing something identical to this.Since we consider the ace novel and manga this should be easy.
In the manga ace is shown to acquire future sight
Plus its kinda further implied he has it based off of what Blackbeard said
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Seems like what Luffy did with his baby boy beginner observation haki tbh. He even sees an "image" of himself getting hurt, like Ace does.
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Seems like what Luffy did with his baby boy beginner observation haki tbh. He even sees an "image" of himself getting hurt, like Ace does.
Nah, apparently that’s just experience
ロギア 「自分を無敵と勘違いしてきた“自然系〟 の寿命は短い」 というのはペコムズの有名な格言だが、 ルフィは幼少期か らエースやサボ、 覇気使いのガープにまでしごかれ敗北の 日々を過ごし、 己の能力を過信する暇すらなかった。 ざんげき ぜいじゃくせい 数多の実戦経験から、 斬撃への脆弱性や、伸ばした腕を 切られるリスクまでもしっかりと把握している。 高いスピー ドを誇るクロとの戦いで、無防備に伸ばした腕に乗られる という経験をしたルフィは、頂上戦争時にはミホークに腕 を切断される危機を見事回避した。
Because Luffy has been beaten by Ace, Sabo, and even the haki user Garp since he was a child, he spent his time in defeat and has no time to overestimate his abilities. Through his experience in numerous actual battles, he is well aware of his vulnerability to slashes and the risk of having his outstretched arm cut off. After his experience of being caught unprotected by Kuro's outstretched arm in a battle with Kuro, who boasts of his high speed, Luffy successfully avoided the danger of having his arm severed by Mihawk during the Summit War.
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There are hints for him having Observation pre ts though.
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Do those hints so him getting folded?
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Well even without the whole logia needing future sight to morph around haki attacks. It seems like regular Obs haki dosen’t show the future unlike well future sight, so I don’t see why ace shouldn’t get it
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Here Luffy is around 15 or 16 and makes two comments that sound pretty close to what Observation users would say
He even says that there may be a big boss lurking on the mountain, kind of implying he may have sensed Kuma's strength.
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Cool but this isn’t close to future sightHere Luffy is around 15 or 16 and makes two comments that sound pretty close to what Observation users would say
He even says that there may be a big boss lurking on the mountain, kind of implying he may have sensed Kuma's strength.
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I never said he has FS you goofy goofy goober
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that was kinda the whole point of are discussion but ok
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then whats the relevance of the feat?
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Ok so ace has future sight or ?
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Ok why?
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