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The ace manga panel shows otherwise
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Ace Future Sight
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Regular Kenbun gives premonitions of the future.
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cool, but it can’t actually show you the future which is what ace did
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I doubt it.
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How did Satori know Luffy could stretch his body like Rubber if he could not see a bit of the future?
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Ace manga disagrees
You already gave the reason
If regular Obs Haki could actually look into the future then future sight wouldn’t be a big deal . Regular Obs Haki is just some sixth sense
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The reason Advanced Kenbun is a big deal is because it allows the user to see and hear several seconds in the future. Basic Kenbun allows users to see and know what would happen in the immediate future.
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That’s pretty blatantly untrue, Obs haki works by sensing your intent not the future.
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Nothing in the scan implies future sight for regular Obs haki
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Future Sight shows you large timeframes of the future loud and clear
Regular Kenbun does a lot, including giving you a deduction of the very near future through the many senses you have
You don't watch One Piece if you think it's just a sixth sense
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Like ace.
Through your opponent’s intent, it doesn’t actually so you the future as shown with luffy fighting enel
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Ace quite literally just saw a glimpse future - Whitebeard punching his face. How is that a "large timeframe loud and clear"?
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Seeing yourself get folded and actual be able to react isn’t a “large timeframe loud and clear”
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So do you agree with Ace having future sight or disagree with it?
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I’ve been arguing for him having future sight this entire time, what do you think?
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Your post above is agreeing that what Ace saw was not a large timeframe.
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Sarcasm
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Though granted I did forget to put the question mark at the end
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Ace didn't see a large timeframe of events. He saw a glimpse of pain
Just like how Satori could see that he was going to be hurt by attacks
Just like how Satori could see that he was going to be hurt by attacks
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Ya, which is what future sight is apparently supposed to be or I guess start out as
When did satori see anything?
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Luffy was able to somewhat compete with future sight with intermediate obs Haki...
Luffy knows the brief future and katakuri see's the actual future.. The big deal is that it's overall better than normal obs haki and gives more and longer Intel
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Stop using weird mistranslated scansYa, which is what future sight is apparently supposed to be or I guess start out as
When did satori see anything?
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You for real thug? Look at the 4th textbox in the first imageThat’s pretty blatantly untrue, Obs haki works by sensing your intent not the future.
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Nothing in this scene implies luffy can even see a glimpse into the future. That only started when his haki started to bloomLuffy was able to somewhat compete with future sight with intermediate obs Haki...
Luffy knows the brief future and katakuri see's the actual future.. The big deal is that it's overall better than normal obs haki and gives more and longer Intel
Didn’t know it was mistranslated, regardless it doesn’t matter as it basically says the same thingStop using weird mistranslated scans
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Bro is now straight up lying... The scan I sent was like the beginning of the fight... Luffy didn't even know he had an awakened devil fruit... You then showed later on when luffy started briefly being able to see the same future katakuri sees
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You real? His talking about the intent of the attacker and sensing what they’ll doYou for real thug? Look at the 4th textbox in the first image
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Katakuri only noticed luffy seeing the future in like the middle of there fight not the beginning so what are you talking about?
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Thank you for proving my pointChapter 882
Chapter 886
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Yee I'm done engaging with this thread
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His powers work the exact same way as a logia besides that point doesn’t matter right now
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Disagree for Kachon, Emin, MOL, and KT's reasons.
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Ace at most got a small glimpse of a moment in the future. This is not FS, at least not in the same way as it is portrayed in the series, such as an advanced level of Obs Haki.
When Shanks sees the future, he can see his entire fleet being destroyed, which obviously happened in a few dozen seconds. When Kaido sees the future, he manages to dodge Luffy's every Snakeman's attack and even mimic it (In this case he replicated the same FS feat from Katakuri). Katakuri can see seconds into the future. Luffy can see seconds into the future too. In other words, Ace would at most need to know or see everything that Whitebeard would do against him to be sure that he used FS, the scan is not enough to classify him as an advanced user in this category (btw, this is something that has never been mentioned in databooks).
The whole logia thing is headcanon. Katakuri isn't a logia to begin with, and all logia are naturally intangible, they don't need to remotely dodge attacks, the intangibility theirs is something they can turn on or off (some like Crocodile seem like they don't know or can't turn it off, since Crocodile needs to bathe carefully). Pekoms' scan doesn't prove anything, he's simply using haki there.
When Shanks sees the future, he can see his entire fleet being destroyed, which obviously happened in a few dozen seconds. When Kaido sees the future, he manages to dodge Luffy's every Snakeman's attack and even mimic it (In this case he replicated the same FS feat from Katakuri). Katakuri can see seconds into the future. Luffy can see seconds into the future too. In other words, Ace would at most need to know or see everything that Whitebeard would do against him to be sure that he used FS, the scan is not enough to classify him as an advanced user in this category (btw, this is something that has never been mentioned in databooks).
The whole logia thing is headcanon. Katakuri isn't a logia to begin with, and all logia are naturally intangible, they don't need to remotely dodge attacks, the intangibility theirs is something they can turn on or off (some like Crocodile seem like they don't know or can't turn it off, since Crocodile needs to bathe carefully). Pekoms' scan doesn't prove anything, he's simply using haki there.
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Um no, future sight is future sight. You see a little into the future and you’ve got advanced Obs haki
And everyone you just mentioned is a character that’s had time to strengthen said future sight.
Already said this point doesn’t matter right now. Since I conceded on it (
So you believe regular Obs haki gives you future sight?
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As per what's currently accepted on the Haki page, yes. It's accepted to allow you to gain brief, infrequent glimpses into the future, which is what Ace's feat would fall under.
If you believe that's not how it should be treated, then I feel like your best course of action here would be to attempt revising the Haki page.
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