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Dragon ball Z speed revision

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Goku and Pikkon Cross Other World

Goku and Paikuhan - Pikkon

This is one amazing speed feat that base Goku and Pikkon are able to do. Note this is even before the 7 year time skip to, making it that much more impressive. They fly from Grand Kai's Planet, down to Hell.

https://imgur.com/a/VGd35rS

Now why is this amazing? Because it is established that Heaven alone is the size of the Universe in the show and guides.

https://imgur.com/a/YAIAgcL

And Grand Kai's planet is above heaven in every depiction and map, meaning they crossed down to heaven, across heaven, and down to Hell.

https://imgur.com/a/jIQrDmG

https://imgur.com/a/kIPO2mk

All depictions show this distance as multiple times the diameter of Heaven, or multiple times the diameter of the Universe. To low ball we will simply use 2 times the diameter of the Observable Universe, or 186 billion light years. The true numbers would be much higher though.

As for time frame no specific time frame is given, but it was a short time as it was an immediate threat that they arrived to take care of and came back from in a relatively short time frame. Furthermore if the travel was going to take any longer Goku would have simply used IT. We will simply use the on screen time of about 30 seconds for the travel time from when they leave Grand Kais planet to when they are seen in Hell.

SO 1.703e27m(distance traveled) / 30s(estimated time frame) = 5.68e25m/s

5.68e25m/s / 299792458m/s(SoL) = 1.90e17 (or 190 Quadrillion times ftl.)

Now who would this scale to? Well I would recommend anybody who is 4-B in TOIE verse or higher, since characters like Base or Bio Broly, the androids etc. are listed at that level, and certainly superior to base Goku pre time skip.

As for outlier arguments, we have good mftl+ feats from suppressed Broly destroying galaxies, Buu casually doing the same over time, Bojack travel to Earth etc. So not really outlier, just the best speed feat we have to date for them.
 
good luck with that. Last I checked they don't accept the dbz universe map for some reason or another.

If they did then the bog arc universe busting feat would have been 2-C because of the seperate time spaces of the after life and the mortal universe. and only downplayers won't accept that it was gonna happen.
 
Rain-xix said:
good luck with that. Last I checked they don't accept the dbz universe map for some reason or another.
If they did then the bog arc universe busting feat would have been 2-C because of the seperate time spaces of the after life and the mortal universe. and only downplayers won't accept that it was gonna happen.
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I mean, this is technically downplaying the feat since it assumes that the distances are only the size of the Observable Universe.

Even if we assume that it took them 30 seconds to travel a singular observable universe, that'd be Three billion one hundred millionx FTL (3100000000c). Downplayed. Ignoring the numerous statements that the afterlife is as large as the universe.
 
I think the logic is sound. As for them not using teh map, they have in the past even the current DBS speed uses it, there was just argument of if the seperate space times count as 2-C. They do but some staff don't see it that way. Anyway this I think is pretty cut and dry so I see no reason to not accept it.
 
Interesting.

Also, a bit out of topic, but since we are talking about the TOEI-verse, I remember Perfect Cell being stated to "shake the universe" when powering up at full power to fight SSJ2 Gohan.

I don't remember it precisely though, so it may just be my lack of memory.
 
DMB 1 said:
Interesting.
Also, a bit out of topic, but since we are talking about the TOEI-verse, I remember Perfect Cell being stated to "shake the universe" when powering up at full power to fight SSJ2 Gohan.

I don't remember it precisely though, so it may just be my lack of memory.
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I don't really remember that but even if he could shake the universe that's not really that impressive. Sure it'll bump him past solar system, maybe into multi-solar system or galaxy level but that's it.

The feat is like you shaking a car. Does that make you a car buster?

Anyways unless explicitly stated that the shaking could destroy the universe, he could destroy it etc then it doesn't matter.
 
The only argument I can see against this is this speed is too much higher than all the other speed feats you listed at the end.
 
I left Cal speachless XD

But yeah i thnk it's pretty solid, and would bump them up a good amount speed wise.

As for Cell I don't recall the specifics. I think id need to see the clip again to make any sort of opinion on it whether I think it should be taken literaly or not.
 
DMB 1 said:
Interesting.

Also, a bit out of topic, but since we are talking about the TOEI-verse, I remember Perfect Cell being stated to "shake the universe" when powering up at full power to fight SSJ2 Gohan.

I don't remember it precisely though, so it may just be my lack of memory.
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Piccolo did say that in the official subs, but the precise words were "it's as if the whole universe is shaking!'. So he was clearly exaggerating. And he wouldn't know that either way.
 
The problem is that the feat is most likely an outlier, the only thing that even comes close to it is videl of all people reacting to genki gathered from the entire universe in the second to last episode of GT.
 
I think that this seems fine in itself. The only question is if this happened in a movie or in the TV series.
 
It was mentioned on the other thread though about us having doubts about Heaven being as wide as the universe. Given the population of every single good person who ever lived; it should be massively bigger than any planet; or at the the size of every life filled planet in the universe forged together. But the map doesn't portray it as being as wide as the living universe. HFIL/Hell on the other hand does appear to be universe sized.
 
@Shivansh

Okay. Then it should be fine to use.
 
Has someone watched the episode yet to check that timeframe? Can't do it myself..laptop issues.

Also, that distance needs more lowball.
 
I call bullshit on Heaven alone being the size of a universe. That makes no sense whatsoever. It is contained in the Afterlife which is itself the size of half a universe.

Also where is the proof that they literally flew to Hell. All I see is one imgur screenshot that shows them flying.

This all here reeks of deliberate lack of context.
 
Yes, they do fly from Grand Kai's planet to Hell. It's unclear how much time they take really, but on screen it is displayed to be around 30 seconds.
 
There's a scene cut so we have no way to determine how fast they flew. It's most definitely not 30 seconds.

The distance is also not the diameter of the universe.

It's MFTL+ yes but the calc in the OP is exaggerated.
 
I agree, there is a screen cut and I think the time period should be increased in the calc. 30 seconds seems too little imo.
 
I'm positive the Dragon Ball Toei cast should be at least millions to billions of times FTL at bare minimum at this point and time, and ever higher in GT. But Heaven is more like Multi-Galaxy sized rather than Universe sized. Hell is strangely more universe sized though.
 
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