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Yujiro Hanma fights a Rat

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Yujiro heard about a powerful martial artist in Montana and decided to challenge him. However, when he got there, all he saw was a rat feeding on a gelatinous cube. Sensing something bad, he decided to kill the rat.

Both are 100 m away from each other.

Speed Equalised but not Bug-Eaten's movement speed, which remains below average human level.

Fight takes place on a mountainside with BE having the high ground.

SBA otherwise.

Both in-character.

Bug-Eate: 6 (Xtasyamphetamine, Iapitus The Impaler, Kyschan21, James the Taker, LSirLancelotDuLacl, Jasonsith)

Yujiro Hanma:

Inconclusive:

Who wins and why?
 
If Bug-Eaten can beat Saitama, tiers don't really matter. Also, his ability negates dura, so it doesn't matter.
 
Just pointing out that the rat has a victory against planet level Saitama who has gotten downgraded since then.
 
Bug-Eaten via Obi Wan Kenobi.

"IT'S OVER, YUJIRO HANMA! I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!", squeaked the rat.

"YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY--"

As Yujiro opened his mouth to say the next words, he was interrupted by a small poke on his head. He touched his forehead and felt extreme pain, as if he was shot in the head with the bullet still stuck in his head. He looked at his hand and recognized his own flesh.

As he was about to call out to the rat, he was about to throw a punch, but saw his flesh melting as well. He screamed in agony, realizing that he had lost to a coward, a coward that kills without showing himself, just like the shinobi during Feudal Japan. It was not honorable combat.

"AAAAHH! HELP! OH GOD--"

It was over. The poison reached his brain. What was once a mane like that of a lion resting above the the strongest creature of the planet Earth, was now a coconut cut in half. Melted in half, to be exact.

Yujiro Hanma succumbed to his injuries and fell into a mere pile of gooey flesh. The rat was victorious, and life imitates art, just like David slaying the arrogant giant Goliath.
 
So no one is thinking this is a stomp? Yujiro's range (according to his profile) is 10 meters. They start at 100 meters. And he can't see Stand. So, the rat's attacks are not only a one-shot but a one shot that cannot be avoided (while Yujiro can't physically even hit the rat due to range)


P.S.: Though, the reasonning of Xtasyamphetamine in favor of Rat seems to describe a very very out-of-character Yujiro.
 
Yujiro is HS, so he can close the gap in seconds. BE is BAH, so he isn't moving away anytime soon. Also, BE only has a reliable range of 60m.
 
Arguments about speed are not factored in when speed is equalized: since both the Stand and Yujiro are at the same speed it doesnt matter if they are HS or FTL+. Also, the HS is his combat speed not travel speed (unless speed equalized is also equalizing travel speed to combat speed)
 
I equalised speed for Ratt(the Stand) and Yujiro while keeping BE at BAH. And Yujiro does have HS movement speed.
 
I know you didn't equalized Bug-Eaten movement speed. My reasoning took that into account.

My reasoning only uses the fact that (unless I misunderstand what speed equalization means) the duration of 1 "movement" from Yujiro = the duration 1 "movement" from the Stand. Since Ratt shooting is at worse only worth a few "movements", Yujiro can at most have a few steps before getting hit by an attack he cannot possibly defend against.

A few steps + Yujiro's mere 10 meters-range attack = There exists no scenario in which Yujiro can even attempt to land 1 attack (which I believe to be a good description of what a stomp is).

And all of this is assuming his running speed is close to his combat speed (which I'm not convinced of, since the justifications for HS speed on his profile are only him punching and kicking at HS speed).
 
That's what I'm arguing for, at least. I don't know if the 2 who made a vote have counter-arguments.
 
I don't know. It's not in his profile.

But his profile says his range is 10 meters. So if he can, the shockwave will be assumed to be at most 10 meters.
 
It's not enough to reach BE with that range. And he doesn't have enhanced senses that allow him to see BE hiding behind rocks. His precog is useless when he doesn't know what's shooting him, so he can't predict what moves his opponent will make.

SBA means Yujiro Hanma doesn't know have prior knowledge on BE, so he doesn't know that he has a stand that can melt his seemingly tough skin. He knows his enemy is a rat, so he would have to look for one, and this rat is smart and stealthy. It's going to scope him when he's not looking.

I'm still voting for Bug-Eaten if this isn't a stomp.
 
@Kyschan21 and @Jamesthetaker : What do you think of my arguments supporting the idea this is a stomp?
 
Looking at how Yujiro doesn't have knowledge and is outside of an effective range, this may seem like a stomp. But Yujiro could win if he decided to use that island level strength to take out Bug-Eaten. All he needs is one good hit and any area Bug-Eaten is hiding in would be completely gone. Bug-Eaten doesn't have the speed advantage either, only a range and ability advantage while Yujiro has the strength and speed advantage. So if Yujiro decides just to end it quickly, it wouldn't be stomp, but his page makes him out to have a Goku-esque personality. Yujiro should be able to close the range quickly, tho
 
Kyschan21 said:
Looking at how Yujiro doesn't have knowledge and is outside of an effective range, this may seem like a stomp. But Yujiro could win if he decided to use that island level strength to take out Bug-Eaten. All he needs is one good hit and any area Bug-Eaten is hiding in would be completely gone. Bug-Eaten doesn't have the speed advantage either, only a range and ability advantage while Yujiro has the strength and speed advantage. So if Yujiro decides just to end it quickly, it wouldn't be stomp, but his page makes him out to have a Goku-esque personality. Yujiro should be able to close the range quickly, tho
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How often does this guy punches around surroundings to destroy hidings and possibly block "darts" he cannot sense until the dart hits anything including his head.
 
Yujiro is probably not Goku-esque, at least not against non-martial artists he has decided to kill: for example, there are all the soldiers he killed with no mercy.

Either way, when I was arguing it to be a stomp, I asumed Yujiro to be bloodlusted anyway. Even bloodlusted I don't think he has a chance to hit the rat. For example, you spoke of a advantage of speed => I disagree: using Jotaro vs rat, if we suppose Jotaro had around the same speed as Bug Eaten's Stand, then the conclusion is that Ratt (the Stand) can shoot a burst of bullet every few steps Yujiro do in a speed equalized match.

As for the Island level AP you mentioned, his range, accordind to his profile, is still 10 meters max.
 
Except, Bug-Eaten's darts take a bit of time to act and have a smallish AOE. With his HS speed, Yujiro can close the gap instantly and kill at the cost of losing a part of his body, while the rat can't move from its position at all and will get only one shot/burst at Yujiro before he reaches it.

Its only because the rat takes a headshot as its starting move that it can win at all. Hitting the legs, hands etc. won't deter Yujiro too much. Not to mention, if it misses once, its dead.
 
If it is that much a stomp, closing the range should still give Bug-Eaten the win. But Bug-Eaten's only chance, as Tactical said, is to land a headshot. And Yujiro should cover the distance in like a second, while Bug-Eaten is stationary when using Ratt. But if equalizing the speed between Yujiro and Ratt is in the OP, shouldn't that make Yujiro MFTL? ovo
 
I think headshot is not the only way to oneshot: any hit to a vital organ should do the job (neck, chest). As for the speed of the melting/poison process: Josuke vs BE is the closest we have to a reference for an equalized speed battle, and there doesn't seem that much time delay: enough for Jotaro to activate time-stop (when he saves Josuke) but not enough for him to actually move his body (when he got hit).

I also disagree with the idea Rat cannot miss once or else he'll gets hit. The "cool-down" of his Stand shouldn't be so long that he can only shoot once: Yujiro being HS (even if he was MFTL+ it wouldn't change) would also mean the Stand recharging its bullet is also be the same speed, so HS shouldn't be a factor here.
 
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