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DISCLAIMER: THIS THREAD IS NOT PUTTING INTO THE QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF CREATION FEATS. IF THAT DISCUSSION COMES UP HERE, THAT WOULD BE DERAILMENT AS IT IS NOT THE EXPRESSED PURPOSE OF WHAT I BRING UP HERE.
Issue the First: Fixing Attack Potency, Tiering, and Creation Pages
To start off with this thread, the largest issue that's present here is that we aren't clear enough that the website, as it currently stands, treats creation feats as Attack Potency feats. However, we have reached a bit of an issue, in that the Attack Potency page makes little mention of it, and the Tiering system page only mentions the word creation for tiers beginning at 5-B.
The Creation page is incredibly lacking. We define it as creating "anything from nothing", which is actually hardly often representative of how creation is treated here. As Matt has told me, our baseline assumption is that the character is creating something from their own personal energy or whatnot, or manipulating something else's energy to form and make objects. To think of an example off of my head, Momo Yaoyorozu's Quirk operates on creating objects out of body fat.
I advise that we clarify that creation feats apply to lower tiers as that's how we're treating it, especially since many new users find it confusing that a character that may not appear to be Tier X is Tier X because of how we run things.
I also advise we do a thorough re-write of the Creation page, and I am open to suggestions from people who know more about our specifics than I.
Issue the Second: Pocket Reality Calculatio
This might be a bit more controversial, since it has been done for a while according to what some calc members have told me, but I think it's flawed on a basic level and needs to be adressed.
Why do we use an explosion formula for creating a pocket dimension?
We see this done for verses such as Puella Magi, however when we look at what a pocket dimension is, one notices that there is a lack of correlation. For one, Pocket Dimensions are not explosions. Nor are explosions making "a lowball estimate of the energy needed to make them" as some have told me. Rather, we're using an entirely different metric to figure out someone's AP, akin to using an explosion calc for something like a freezing feat just because the calculation came out as an outlier.
To continue this, creating a pocket dimension in itself has no association with energy. You can't "create" space and/or time with energy nor can you "destroy" it in the conventional sense. So, if someone made a 1km radius pocket dimension with absolutely nothing in it, it's not necessarily an AP feat. It would be like assigning Spatial Manipulation users a tier because they stretched space a kilometer, or a Time Manipulation user for bringing time to a certain area that lacked it.
(Read below, this was disproved by Matt. Although explosive force still has no correlation)
Instead, we should focus on the contents of the pocket dimension, like we already do for some verses. If they have star systems in them, we can say it's 4-A. If there's a planet, we can say 5-B. I understand that for smaller areas, it would be really hard to judge, however even a face-value estimate would be more accurate than assuming the entire area of a pocket dimension is a fireball of an explosion. I am also open to new suggestions that would be more in-line with that type of feat; maybe if GBE can be applied on such a small scale?
Perhaps we should even make a size or mass scale. Possibly akin to the Large Size page?
Issue the First: Fixing Attack Potency, Tiering, and Creation Pages
To start off with this thread, the largest issue that's present here is that we aren't clear enough that the website, as it currently stands, treats creation feats as Attack Potency feats. However, we have reached a bit of an issue, in that the Attack Potency page makes little mention of it, and the Tiering system page only mentions the word creation for tiers beginning at 5-B.
The Creation page is incredibly lacking. We define it as creating "anything from nothing", which is actually hardly often representative of how creation is treated here. As Matt has told me, our baseline assumption is that the character is creating something from their own personal energy or whatnot, or manipulating something else's energy to form and make objects. To think of an example off of my head, Momo Yaoyorozu's Quirk operates on creating objects out of body fat.
I advise that we clarify that creation feats apply to lower tiers as that's how we're treating it, especially since many new users find it confusing that a character that may not appear to be Tier X is Tier X because of how we run things.
I also advise we do a thorough re-write of the Creation page, and I am open to suggestions from people who know more about our specifics than I.
Issue the Second: Pocket Reality Calculatio
This might be a bit more controversial, since it has been done for a while according to what some calc members have told me, but I think it's flawed on a basic level and needs to be adressed.
Why do we use an explosion formula for creating a pocket dimension?
We see this done for verses such as Puella Magi, however when we look at what a pocket dimension is, one notices that there is a lack of correlation. For one, Pocket Dimensions are not explosions. Nor are explosions making "a lowball estimate of the energy needed to make them" as some have told me. Rather, we're using an entirely different metric to figure out someone's AP, akin to using an explosion calc for something like a freezing feat just because the calculation came out as an outlier.
(Read below, this was disproved by Matt. Although explosive force still has no correlation)
Instead, we should focus on the contents of the pocket dimension, like we already do for some verses. If they have star systems in them, we can say it's 4-A. If there's a planet, we can say 5-B. I understand that for smaller areas, it would be really hard to judge, however even a face-value estimate would be more accurate than assuming the entire area of a pocket dimension is a fireball of an explosion. I am also open to new suggestions that would be more in-line with that type of feat; maybe if GBE can be applied on such a small scale?
Perhaps we should even make a size or mass scale. Possibly akin to the Large Size page?
