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Just a short CRT to confirm everyone can still agree to this.
Proposed Changes
Mid-Tier monsters need AP changes. This is a fact.
And I've been thinking. Low 7-B is not an outlier in this verse. Between CRTs and calc pages, for monsters we have not one, not two, not three, but five calculations either on this level or supporting this level, with one calc being identical between two different breeds of dragon.
So, as of my suggestion. We should not lowball the characters. Low 7-B should be applied evenly to all mortals above CR 13 based on the numerous feats supporting this.
The Feats
We really should update it to include many tiers. Namely, the "Wizard" page should be built into a Composite Adventurer page, as in theory every class can meld into each other via Mutli-Classing. A raw Wizard isn't needed when it would be simpler to have an insert for the player, a Composite Adventurer. Additionally, it should be reworked to include the following tiers:
9-B | 9-A | High 8-C | Low 7-B, 6-B via Prep Time | Varies, High 6-A to 5-B | 2-C | 2-A
To be frank, this page could use its own CRT considering the absurd amount of abilities would be available to a composite being in D&D, but still.
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Proposed Changes
Mid-Tier monsters need AP changes. This is a fact.
And I've been thinking. Low 7-B is not an outlier in this verse. Between CRTs and calc pages, for monsters we have not one, not two, not three, but five calculations either on this level or supporting this level, with one calc being identical between two different breeds of dragon.
So, as of my suggestion. We should not lowball the characters. Low 7-B should be applied evenly to all mortals above CR 13 based on the numerous feats supporting this.
The Feats
- Legendary Dragons have not one but three Low 7-B calculated feats, with one being shared
- Earthquake, which can be used as early as level 13, has a minimum of Low 7-C
- Azzy found a creature in one thread (can't link to the calc) that I further calculated at Low 7-B
- The Elder Tempest feat Foggy found ages ago was accepted at High 7-C at the absolute minimum value I could use
- Beholder (Just barely in the same threat range as the Low 7-B Legendary White Dragon)
- Elminster
- Mordenkaine
- Drizzt Do'urde
- Krake (His island wiping feat was agreed to be a 7-C estimate as well)
- Empyrea
- Tarrasque (Should be laughably superior to the Low 7-B stuff, but still- I would nearly consider Tarrasque possible for scaling to Abominations, though I am unsure of this)
We really should update it to include many tiers. Namely, the "Wizard" page should be built into a Composite Adventurer page, as in theory every class can meld into each other via Mutli-Classing. A raw Wizard isn't needed when it would be simpler to have an insert for the player, a Composite Adventurer. Additionally, it should be reworked to include the following tiers:
9-B | 9-A | High 8-C | Low 7-B, 6-B via Prep Time | Varies, High 6-A to 5-B | 2-C | 2-A
- Wall level: Base. Scales to Burning Hands and Searing Smite, accepted at 9-B.
- Room level: Starts at CR 5. Scales to Fireball, among others, accepted at 9-A.
- Large Building level: Starts at CR 9. Scales to Sunbeam and Daylight, both of which are High 8-C.
- Small City level+: See above.
- Country level: Scales to the multiple terraforming prep time spells that exist, such as Ice Age.
- Multi-Continent level to Planet level: Avatars since we have accepted that players can become gods. Much like real gods like Lolth and Moradi, High 6-A comes from scaling to the Abomination that heated the core of the world, and 5-B comes from the statement that the Leviathan, just by waking up, can destroy the world- and that only godly avatars can defeat it.
- Low Multiverse level: Lesser god. Scales to the multiple lords capable of bending all of time and space within their spatially infinite realms, some of which can do so to multiple realms.
- Multiverse level+: Greater god. Scales to characters like Mystra, who could damage the entire multiverse with her death.
To be frank, this page could use its own CRT considering the absurd amount of abilities would be available to a composite being in D&D, but still.
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