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DxD tiering CRT

Firephoenixearl

Firephoenixearl

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Currently DxD has some of the worst tierings in the wiki. With 6-C covering from borderline fodder to outright god-tiers of the verse.

Sona Stiri states My sister Serafall could destroy the nation of Japan several times over if she so much as "glitters".

Which does explain a lot of things about the show. Some statements like "Azi destroying a continent" "the big 3 destroying the world", some feats like Trihexia's core walking through Aphophis' strongest move casually and then Sirzechs' totally overpowering Trihexia's core, Serafall being able to completely freeze the Annihalation Maker monsters along with the whole surroundings completely casually etc.

So any being who is satan level and above should get "High 6-B" tiering.

Now there is also the "above satan class beings". And 2 of them in particular (2 in this wiki, there are more).

And those 2 beings are Sirzechs and Finite Ophis (scaling from sirzechs).

Sirzechs is 6-A. His demonic aura alone (without destructive capabilities, or potency) was stated to easy exceed the previous Lucifer by 10 times. Even if we assume the previous Lucifer to be baseline satan level it would still make Sirzechs a Continental level character scaling from him.

As for Finite Ophis, while she is not stated to still be the #1 strongest being in the world even in her finite form. She should still be at least comparable to someone like Sirzechs. Finite Ophis stated that she is 2x as strong as Ddraig and Albion together (who are way stronger than base satan class devils so much so that they were ranked in the top 10 beings while they were still alive). So while i cannot say whether she is as strong as Sirzechs or stronger, she is at least comparable to him.

Aside from Ophis i cannot put anyone (in the wiki, outside the wiki ppl like Shiva, Indra and Ajuka would have gotten 6-A tier via scaling but they don't have a profile in the wiki) even remotely close to Sirzechs. As even some of the strongest such as Thanatos, DxD G Ise etc, cannot be compared to Sirzechs, thanatos let's say he is stronger than Azazel he is still MUCH weaker than Sirzechs, like so much weaker it's funny.

There will be another CRT coming up focusing on smaller details and fixes but that is once this ends.
 
The statement isn't accepted--- we discussed it like two or three times. There's simply no other quantifiable feat on that level in the series, except vaporization was accepted for Vali's feat in Volume 21. Serafall freezing a large portion of the Underworld is not quantifiable.

Azi Dahaka's statement is overtime destruction. Again, this one was already discussed as well. Just go through the topics of DxD. Trihexa's consciousness didn't walk through the barrier; it distorted space and got through it. Also, the barrier Apophis created is not even hinted to be his strongest move.

...And so, all the scaling goes away like that. King Piece and Ophis' snake can upgrade them since multipliers of that nature are now accepted, but Volume 25 should be translated first.
 
Although there is that statement about Dulio being able to manipulate the climate and weather of a country. Ise seems to confirm it in Volume 21, and also said he can produce enough bubbles to cover Japan. Someone calculated it at High 6-C.

If that's accepted, the verse could reach Country level with multipliers.
 
Well with the multipliers it'd still reach the same result tbh.

If BxB ise is above baseline 6-C. And his triania forms are at least a boost of 4 (i mean like having 4 boosts at all times). Then his true queen having another boost of 4 (since triania couldn't even scratch Sairaorg while True Queen was equal to him even though ise was in a weakened state). Then Pseudo DxD having a boost of 5 (5 being a lowball since P DxD is abnormally stronger, a Sairaorg who's way stronger than before was fighting with a weakened and dmg Grendel while DxD ise fought Aphophis and still had nrg to spare for Trihexia) with a Pseudo DxD at mid potential it would give Ise a boost of 100 over his BxB form.

There are also the ppl who have used the "King's piece" which is a 100 times boost.

Also the Japan level feat is actually ok. Dulio spawned the bubbles all over japan and could even change the weather of a whole country. Someone like Serafall being unable to replicate such a feat would be pretty hard to believe (Dulio is still weaker than Michael, who shouldn't be that much stronger than a satan level being such as Serafall, maybe 2x stronger or so). Considering Bina Lessthan (Grayfia) is still considered strong despite being weaker than Serafall is good proof that not everyone is just magically satan class devil (except for Ise and Vali).

So High 6-B or 6-A is still acceptable for Sirzechs who is on a level completely beyond any other devil and is the strongest person (Ajuka aside since we don't know how strong he is when he's serious) in all of the allied forces (devil, angels and fallen angels).

Again seeing as Dulio is country level in balance breaker, Serafall's statement cannot be dismissed, as nothing about the power levels would contradict that.
 
I agree that Triana is much stronger than BxB and stuff, but we only go with stated multipliers that make sense.

Ajuka said King piece is a boost of 10 to hundred times. Let's go with the low end and say it's at least 10x. The boost from Ophis' snake is comparable to it.

Yeah, but we're talking about a destructive statement here. Michael isn't stated to be stronger than Serafall to my knowledge.

As for Dulio's statement, it isn't Country level. It was calculated to be High 6-C (430 gigatons, but not in a blog yet). Let's say it's accepted. It'd be High 6-C for Ultimate-class characters.

Base Katerea is Ultimate-class, and Ophis' snake boosts power by a factor of at least ten. So it'd be: 430 x 10 = 4.3 teratons or Small Country level+.

Katerea with Ophis' snake had power that was only near that of Serafall and Sirzechs, so Satan-class characters will be Small Country level+.

Loki is much stronger than normal Satans and he casually handled Azazel and Baraqiel, plus Tannin was also there so he'd be easily Country level.

Prime Fenrir significantly scales above Loki. Gasperias fought 80% Fenrir and is above Maou-class so she'd be "At least Small Country level+".

Ddraig easily beat Typhon who's equal to Fenrir so top ten characters would be Country level.

That's assuming the Dulio thing is accepted. If it's not, with the multiplier Satans would be Island level+ and others above them would be Large Island level.
 
1. If the calc was done i see no reason for why it shouldn't be accepted. And as for the "multipliers", i already showed you what the multipliers would mean, you already know by now what will happen if i dive really deep into the multipliers. You already know just how much im lowballing the multipliers in my calc on Ise.

2. Michael should be stronger than serafall as he is heaven's strongest m8 and fend off the attack on heaven, but yeah he is at least Serafall level though. I can't imagine him to be weaker than serafall. It is just my opinion that he is stronger though we can have him be = to Serafall all the same.

3. Dulio is weaker than Michael. Ultimate Class people are actually borderline fodder in the level we are talking about. Hell even Serafall can be treated as fodder when compared to stuff like Sirzechs and his m8s.

4. If Dulio is capable of a countrly level feat, then a character superior in strength such as Serafall who is = to Michael (who as i said should be far superior to Dulio) should logically be able (as sona stated) to outdo such a feat. That was my point. So at this point Sona's statement doesn't exactly seem impossible, if she can outdo Dulio's feat then i don't see what's stoping her from the statement.

5. If Serafall is able to acomplish a Country to High Country level feat then Sirzechs is continental in level. Serafall is just borderline satan level. Even if we assume that the previous Lucifer was as strong as Serafall (which is a lowball really as the war was won because of Sirzechs and Ajuka mostly if Serafall were to be as strong as the previous lucifer im sure it would have been at least mentioned since being as strong as the enemy's strongest man is a pretty big deal in a war, so he should be at least somewhat stronger than Serafall) then Lucifer is still over 10x stronger than Serafall (baseline here as he could be stronger, but it's a sure baseline of 10x) which would qualify him for Continental level of strength. Which we can then use to scale Ophis.
 
Boost multipliers won't be accepted though.

Nothing says he's stronger yet, but they're in the same ballpark at least.

I know Dulio is weaker than Michael. My post reflects that--- I think you should read it again. As for Post Volume 23 Dulio he's Satan-class. He fought on par with CxC Ise, who beat Baraqiel who's > Azazel in an exhausted state after the effects of Pseudo DxD.

Country wide range which was calculated at High 6-C, not a Country level feat. Concerning Sona's statement, it's not that there's anything inherently wrong with it. It's just that there are no destructive feats on that level. Even if Serafall's statement is accepted, Satans would still be Low 6-B.

If you wanna talk about weak Satan-class, then start with Bedeze or something. Serafall is >= Grayfia, and based on how we saw things in Volume 22, she's definitely not a weak Satan-class.

I wasn't talking about True Form Sirzechs though. My post makes that clear. I said top ten class would be 6-B scaling above gods like Loki, who's >>>>> Satan-class.
 
Yes we'r talking about the same thing. If Dulio was able to acomplish a high 6-C feat, then Serafall (since dulio was stated to do that since his first introduction) who is far superior and has a feat of 6-B to High 6-B shouldn't be that far off. I can also use Dulio's argument to say that DxD stands true to it's statements. Though I'd still say Serafall is 6-B rather than Low 6-B, there is much more reason to believe she is 6-B/high rather than low.

As for Sirzechs then we can agree that he's High 6-B or 6-A.

As for Serafall she is not a weak character. She is just not an exceptional satan. She is what is usually called a "borderline satan" so if someone is Satan class then Serafall is usually the example. Also Serafall > Grayfia, they used to be rivals back in the days but now Serafall has the title of strongest female.

Also if Serafall's statement is accepted then Satans would be "High 6-B" destroying a country several times over is not "low 6-B".
 
Alright, others will decide if they want to go with Sona's statement about Serafall. As for Dulio, Zenith Tempest is a top tier Longinus and other Longinus like Dimension Lost and Absolute Demise are said to work on a country wide scale.

It's just comfortably into 6-B for the top ten characters via their sheer superiority to Satan-class.

Concerning Serafall, Japan is a small country and destroying it was calculated at High 6-C to Low 6-B. If we go with the statement that she can do it several times over, it'd still be in the higher ends of Low 6-B which fits with what I posted earlier.

Let's hope the Dulio calc ends up being accepted.
 
Ou right, Japan is considered a small country.

So someone like Sirzechs can hope for a 6-B up to High 6-B at best. Ok yeah that's true.

I forgot that Japan is a small country.
 
Well, I remember Issei said that his fist becomes, 4 to 6 times bigger when he use Triana Forms for rock promotion, can we use that as multiplier to calculate how strong he is?

That sounds like a stretch tho.
 
@GoodDaySir

Well all the things i put there are the absolute worst lowballs. There is also the "boost" to count in. In every fight ise get's at least 10 boosts (every meaningful fight). 10 boosts ~ power x 1k. P DxD Ise getting his power multiplied 1k times, is HUGE! Then using that multiplier and using idk 2x as the difference between serious Sirzechs and P DxD ise, then scaling Ophis from that, it is probable, but there are some othe problems. I can tell you later what the problem is if you want.
 
Hizack123 said:
I think we should wait and see more of shin dxd first.
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Wel these guys are hax fighters so it's not like i mind too much about their tier. I just feel like the tiers are dumb af.

I mean BxB issei, Serafall, Finite Ophis and Sirzechs all in the same tier? xD
 
Hizack123 said:
Well if you put it like that....
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I am gonna do another CRT mostly focusing on the hax and what not, though with this there already are 2 ongoing CRT's, i don't want to make too many CRT's at the same time.

About the tiers they should be fixed somehow doe.
 
Not Boost---- we're going to be using the King piece and Ophis' snake.

If the Dulio calc goes through, top tiers will be 6-B. There's no reason it shouldn't--- from how Ise worded it, Dulio personally told him that he can manipulate the climate and weather of a country. Dulio is not a boastful or arrogant character, and never exaggerates things. Ise confirms it by saying he can indeed manipulate weather on a country wide scale and can produce enough bubbles to cover Japan and beyond. Hades also seemingly said Zenith Tempest could manipulate weather beyond a country wide scale.

As for the bubbles, Dulio can manipulate weather within them so it's the same thing. Then other Longinus like Dimension Lost can work on a country wide scale and Ishibumi himself said Absolute Demise works on a country wide scale. Zenith Tempest is a top tier Longinus, so that basically confirms that it works on a country wide scale.

So, if it goes through the top tiers will be 6-B with multipliers. If it doesn't, they'll be High 6-C so they should be upgraded in any case.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
I thought Issei's Boosts weren't permanent?
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They aren't but there are other problems. Boost is too broken on paper, so broken he can actually take on Goku and 1 shot him.

Boost is an exponential double on your strength.

Ever heard of what happens if you fold a piece of paper in half 103 times? (spoiler: it'll get as thick as the universe). Now apply that same concept to Issei's Boost. But the feats prove otherwise so the Boost argument just can't be used. BxB ise would just slap the moon out of existence if we were to do the math. Here i showed Burning how powerful "incomplete BxB ise would actually be" (rn he is large town level i think). https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2039274

So yeah the Boost cannot be used, even though it isn't permanent, it completely breaks the scaling.
 
Right, so let's say Issei Boosted ten times in one fight. In the beginning of the next fight he would still be at the same base before the Boosts. Are you saying like if Issei Boosted ten times, scaling his power times ten and giving that AP and dura to his opponent and then scaling that back to Issei in base would break the scaling?
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Right, so let's say Issei Boosted ten times in one fight. In the beginning of the next fight he would still be at the same base before the Boosts. Are you saying like if Issei Boosted ten times, scaling his power times ten and giving that AP and dura to his opponent and then scaling that back to Issei in base would break the scaling?
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Just check the link i sent.
 
Doesn't Masadaverse have like, multiple multipliers of actual infinity with the taikyouko values? The Boosts are consistently explained to do the same thing and are used in pretty much every fight Issei has been in. Even if it does result in big numbers, that shouldn't matter when the problem isn't if they're strong but how the ability is portrayed.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Doesn't Masadaverse have like, multiple multipliers of actual infinity with the taikyouko values? The Boosts are consistently explained to do the same thing and are used in pretty much every fight Issei has been in. Even if it does result in big numbers, that shouldn't matter when the problem isn't if they're strong but how the ability is portrayed.
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Well the point is it contradicts the series.

Serafall destroying japan several times over? Yeah, more like destroying the solar system (or more) several times over.

Azi Dahaka destroying EU over time? More like destroying multiple solar systems insntantly.

Stuff like that. Sirzechs shaking the realm of the dead? More like shaking a galaxy. It would contradict the things in the series.
 
I see, so if the numbers actually were that big then saying you could destroy a country when you're solar system level wouldn't make much sense.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
is Diabolos Dragon God on his page?
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Yes it is.

@Burning Full Fingers

Then about finite Ophis and Sirzechs, something like:

Should be superior to Diabolos Dragon God Issei.

Can be used as justification for giving them the tier? As for the tier would it be 6-B or high 6-B. If P DxD Ise can be considered satan class then that should give Sirzechs and Ophis High 6-B.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
They'd sit tight at 6-B. Pseudo DxD is God-class.
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Ok yeah makes sense. The 10x multiplier can't be applied to someone above satan class (unless we get some kind of statement for the strength of the previous Lucifer).

Then giving them the 6-B with this argument Should be superior to Diabolos Dragon God Issei. Can be added then?
 
No, it's not yet evaluated.

Also, I wanna ask about some people like Tobio and CDD Xenovia. Well, I guess I'll wait for Vergil, GDS, and others to discuss some scaling.
 
Well I see DxD tier list now like that (after read Shin 1 and V25):

1. Dragon God-class (GR, Infinite Ophis and Trihexa <= compare to them both. Balberith stated to be solo oposing dragon gods potentially).

2. Trimurti class (Shiva and other Hindu chief-gods Vishnu and Brahma).

3. Indra (weaker than Trimurti but far above Heavenly Dragon class. Even after seeing Ise in Pseudo DxD G releasing Ddraig he still said that Ise team still no match for him.

4. Heavenly Dragon/Super Devils class. Middle-tier of top-10. All characters almost comparable to each other in stats but someone better than others in different things. Like Crom better in attack power and defence and Vali better in speed and abilities. Could defeat low tier top-10 characters easily. I am not see Sirzechs above that level.

5. Low tier of top-10 - Fenrir, Typhon, Thor and Vidar with boots only. Far stronger than Chief Gods. For example Typhoon stated to be capable fight again entire Olymp and give him a hard time. 6. Chief gods of regular myphologies. Apollo, base Vidar, Odin, Zeus on that level. 7. Regular Gods. Loki, Artemis, Thanatos. FAR FAR superior to Maou-class. This level also could be called as "Above Maou-class". Rias in Balor form on that level since she could fight equally to 80% Fenrir and could solo fight with Nyx (primodial goddess of night) according to Ise words. 8. Low tiered Gods and current Maou-class (base Sirzechs, Grayfia, Serafall and current Ise CxC mode). Diehauser could fight and defeat low-tiered gods. So current Maou equal to low tier godess. Strong High-class devils ~ BxB Ise from volume 11. He is stated to be strongest among High-class in terms of raw power.

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CxC now is CURRENT Maou-class.
Pluto, armored Azazel on that level. 9. Previous Maou-class (base Azazel and so on like higher ups of Old Satan faction with Ophis snake) 10. Strong Ultimate class Devils like Ise CxC (only in Shin 1 Ddraig said that CxC is enough to defeat someone from Maou-class). 11. Ultimate class 12. Strong High class 13. ðóð░ð╝ ð▓ÐïÐÇÐâÐçð©ÐéÐî ð╝ð¥ð│ÐâÐé
 
What about Tobio? He has beaten Ultimate-class easily and he forced Vali into Juggernaut Drive. Vali said he wants to settle things from last time, so maybe he couldn't beat Tobio.
 
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