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Kaguya Ōtsutsuki Vs. Arcueid Brunestud (ArcheType: Earth)

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Start in the Planet Earth inhabited.

50 meters of distance.
 
I don't know, i got to give it to Arcueid via superior hax. Can Kaguya even do anything against complete intangibility, probability maniuplation, or the ability to reassemble her body from nothingness?
 
Go go! Phantasmoon!

But seriously, Kaguya won't be able to do anything to Arc unless she warps the battlefield to another dimension. Even the Arc could just drop the moon on Kaguya. Better yet, if Kaguya somehow dodges that Arc can just lower her stats with Blut die Schwester.

General stat differences can be easily closed with her Ultimate One earth backup and I still doubt that Kaguya's antics will be able to cut Archetype: Earth off since we haven't seen her enter anything that wasn't a parallel Earth. In addition, Arc can still acess her backup even within the realm of dreams if she ever got serious. Marble Phantasm will also shred Kaguya with ease.

So yeah, all in all, I give it to my favorite love interest in Tsukihime.
 
Well, ATE combat abilites mostly rely on Gaia support. But abilities like RM are not so good to completely erase Gaia presense from them. Only attack like Enuma Elish can erase Gaia's RM or something like MEoDP that can erase Gaia presence at single location. So I think ATE should win through her better and more variable abilities.
 
Of course Kaguya can come back from nothing... She's immortal. You guys are forgetting Kaguya'sbone ash hax. Bone ash hax ignore conventional durability and Regenerationn and completely deletes anything it touches. The moon falling on Kaguya wont be much of a problem with her durability, and he attacks can destroy it before it even reacher her. Kaguya's large chakra arms deal massive damage with each punch, and she also has her dimension switching hax on her side. She could use her reality manipulation to have the map attack Arc. Another thing is that Kaguya can stun people which they can't move out of unless they have the will to break out. Don't forget her portal box where she can freely move anywhere in the lanes... aiming ash bones wont be difficult.
 
ATE's durability is not conventional. It's all conceptual. Convetionally she can't be destroyed at all. And as far as I remember Kaguya's dimension-ability is too similar to RM of TM series which are nothing for ATE. Kaguya's immortality... Well, I can't remember the principe behind it but I'm sure it is not like other Kaguya's (Houraisan one).
 
Kaguya still has nature maniupulation, so Arc will have to duke out with Kaguya on who can control reality better. When Kaguya teleports Arc into another dimension wont her link with Gaia be broken? With full control of her dimensions, Kaguya has the lead in weather Arc can use the area to her advantage.
 
ATE has full control of nature because she Gaia's weapon so Kaguya's nature manipulation is useless. Kaguya's dimensions are not equal to real dimensions - they looks like... Hm... Kaleidoscope dimensions of Zeltrech... or Reality Marbles of Archer EMIYA and TATARI. And even such ideal Reality Marbles can't completely seal Gaia's Reality Marble.

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Arc in MB wasn't at her prime and still managed to break through TATARI RM with ease even without Gaia's support.
 
The thing about the Ash Bones is that they actually have to hit to do anything... and Arc at her best is intangible. Meaning that point is moot.

Kaguya reality manipulation is limited at best and seems limited to her attacks and the surrounding environment. She won't be using it to blink Arc out of existance any time soon. Heck, I don't remember her actually using it aside from dimension warps.

Even if Kaguya can blast the moon apart, she'll still have to deal with Arc's Marble Phantasm, which can shred her to her ankles at least and can probably atomize her as ATE. Not to mention the fact that ATE has probability and causality control.

In addition, Arc has no concept of death at night, so if the battle takes place at night (or better yet, if Arc MAKES it nighttime) Kaguya really won't be able to do much to her. Intangibility + Teleportation make it all but impossible for the Chakra Goddess to hit ATE Arc, much less damage her.

On the flipside, Arc's superior environment control means that no matter how far Kaguya runs, she's always within attack range. Heck, due to Arc's authority over Earth she can easily turn Kaguya's dimension warps against him by throwing lava and blizzards at her.
 
Kaguya has Regenerationn (including limbs) so Marble Phantasm won't be much of a problem.

http://i3.**********.com/naruto/683/naruto-5031415.jpg - turning the world against Naruto

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- trapped Naruto and Sasuke in ice and freely moved out of the ice herself.

and Kaguya has control over the time of day (her dimensions have celestial bodies within them)

If a moon is created, she can destroy it, or use it to her advantage and activate infinite tsukiyomi.

As for Kaguya running away, I'm not sure about that. Her speed is at the higher end of MHS+
 
Kaguya's dimensions will be crushed by Gaia through Acruied request of support. So drop these dimension agrument or prove that those dimensions are not "placed" on Earth.

Infinite Tsukiomi won't affect ATE with Gaia support.

MHS+ means nothing when ATE can "teleport" anywhere on Earth.
 
Kaguya's teleportation range is far more impressive than Arc's. As Arc is described to teleport anywhere on Earth, Kaguya teleports through several dimensions which could be spread throughout a big universe, or are litterally on their own planes.

Proof as to whether those dimensions are not "placed" on Earth are several things.

For one, The Narutoverse had already established a full map of the Narutoverse. Majority of the map was inhabited and explored, which none match Kaguya's dimensions.

Sasuke traveled back and forth through Kaguya's dimensions by accessing them with his own Rinnegan which takes up a lot of energy. He stated that they're difficult to get to because of how far off they are which might indicate they're different planets.

Finally the best evidence that the dimensions are NOT on Earth is the Expansive Truth Seeking Ball. This ball is made in the main dimension that links to the others, which prove that its a completely separate univers.
 
Those not proofs. It looks like RMs.

RM is high level magecraft that allows its user to rewrite the laws of Gaia's Reality with owner's own. Some of them like White Len's resemble Earth while some like Archer's are bizzare and unearthly.
 
A big flaw of Arc is "Archetype Earth power depends on backup from Gaia (although she always get energy it would be only marginally higher than that of her opponent) and can be cut off by powerful barriers or by warping an area until Arcueid's power can no longer recognize it as "Earth" (with the most notable example being a Reality Marble)"


I will use photographic evidence and story evidence to proove Kaguya's dimensions are NOT Earth.


1) Momoshiki and Kinshiki made ANOTHER Shinju Tree in order to gather the forbidden fruit, which they would've done on Earth except they couldn't. There was already one there that was cut down.

2)
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- the orb was scaled to the size of a moon; Thats in Kaguya's sand dimension. If it was on Earth, Naruto's Earth would've had two moons.

3) In the beggining of the Boruto movie, the ice dimension is shown to have a moon, this moon is not the same one on Earth because that one was split in half in The Last movie.

4)
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- ANOTHER moon that was created, this time by Naruto and Sasuke. This photo shows a planet very different from Earth as it is very rocky. That extra moon was not seen back in Naruto's home Earth as it only has one Moon with a split in the middle.

5) Need more proof? Sasuke was warped into Kaguya's sand dimension which had it's own sun.

http://i.imgur.com/ndH9ay7.png

It was morning time in this dimension and night time back in Naruto's Earth. This is proof that shows Kaguya's dimensions do not take place on Earth. Kaguya de-links Arc from Gaia and swiftly destroy her with the most critical move in her arsenal.
 
Yamatohime said:
Do not see proof. Point me.
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This is all proof. Multiple, DIFFERENT moons, and a outside shot of Kaguya's different dimension planet.

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/...4_snapshot_01.38.53_[2015.12.24_09.15.46].jpg - A photo of Naruto's home planet with none of the other moons (obviously because those moons were not made on Earth)

Plus, if Kaguya's dimensions were else where on Earth, Naruto and Sasuke could've just run back to the fight in seconds. They're traveling speed is mach 1,000-3,000 in base form.
 
Zerzavyx98 said:
This is all proof. Multiple, DIFFERENT moons, and a outside shot of Kaguya's different dimension planet.
http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/...4_snapshot_01.38.53_[2015.12.24_09.15.46].jpg - A photo of Naruto's home planet with none of the other moons (obviously because those moons were not made on Earth)

Plus, if Kaguya's dimensions were else where on Earth, Naruto and Sasuke could've just run back to the fight in seconds. They're traveling speed is mach 1,000-3,000 in base form.
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That's why it's not a proof. Look at Archer's UBW. There are cogs instead of moons, suns and start! And nowhere you run you can't run away from RM unless you destroy it or damage enough his owner or drain mana out of it.
 
Zerzavyx98 said:
The images in my proof show that Kaguya's dimensions are no on Earth. Can't go against visual fact.
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Nope. It didn't prove you point. It can be still Earth. TATARI's Reality Marble can create even more bizzare visuals becuase its made of people fears.
 
Zerzavyx98 said:
The images in my proof show that Kaguya's dimensions are no on Earth. Can't go against visual fact.
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So by that logic, Archer's UBW also isn't on Earth? Also, even if those are different Earths, she still gets power from Gaia as long as her powers can still recognize the place as Earth. Kaguya's dimensions are pretty similar to Earth, i don't see why her powers wouldn't recognize them as Earth.
 
Just because reality marbles count for the verse Arc is from doesn't mean the same rule applies to Kaguya's dimensions.
 
But you tried to prove your point by visuals and I show that visuals are nothing. Show me real prove. For example space travel to distance planet.

After all you stated that Kaguyas dimensions are completely out of Earth one. But even visuals do not prove it completely. They all looks like diffrerent probabilities. The same as the Second.
 
You can't argue that they're the same Earth because clearly there were multiple moons demonstrated, and not shown in Naruto's home planet.

There were three examples of completely different moons, examples of a view from out of space to prove that Naruto's planet doesn't have those moons, and there was proof of the different planets having different things within them. Anyone who has read and finished Naruto can tell you the same thing that these are not the same planet.

I'll need you to show me how Arc will win against Kaguya after she's disconnected from Gaia. Otherwise Kaguya takes this.
 
Even without her connection with Gaia, she has a better Immortality and a beyond better Regenerationn.
 
Zerzavyx98 said:
You can't argue that they're the same Earth because clearly there were multiple moons demonstrated, and not shown in Naruto's home planet.
There were three examples of completely different moons, examples of a view from out of space to prove that Naruto's planet doesn't have those moons, and there was proof of the different planets having different things within them. Anyone who has read and finished Naruto can tell you the same thing that these are not the same planet.

I'll need you to show me how Arc will win against Kaguya after she's disconnected from Gaia. Otherwise Kaguya takes this.
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I finished Naruto, and i still think that these are the same planet, just different dimensions. Still Earth. Also, Arc's profile says that she always gets power from Gaia, but without the link it would be only marginally higher than her opponent, so even if those are different planets, her power would be still superior to Kaguya's.
 
Even if it's a different dimension, it wouldn't be Earth. The other planets haven't been shown to be inhabited and don't share any resemblence to Earth at all. Several have their own moons, and the fact that Kaguya made another dimension during the manga completely disapproves your opinion on if its Earth.

As for Arc's bloodlust, "she has access to unlimited amounts of power, but she must hold her bloodlust all the time, which can be tiring". When her blood lust runs out, she'll tire out meanwhile Kaguya has infinite stamina.

Also if Arc has conceptual durability and has the ability to be marginally higher than her opponent should she be tier 0? There's an end to Arc's power in some way and Kaguya has multiple ways to cut off her power source.
 
Okay probably not "infinte" but she surely didn't tired out against Naruto and Sasuke.

"Extremely high (Fought Naruto and Sasuke, two incredibly powerful opponents for a long duration without getting tired)"

She's the creator of chakra, and with the shinju tree she could collect tons in seconds. She's also the human manifestation of the Juubi, (tailed beasts are always creating chakra so its always going to come back)
 
I'm not going to vote on this topic because Type Moon is really an annoying verse to handle, but:

1) You cannot apply reality marbles - a TM ability - to what has been explictly called dimensional transfer in an entirely other series. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that ATE is not affected by RMs and that RMs are in actuality still "on Earth" (based off the fact that when they are destroyed, the people inside return to Earth) but there is none to support that for Kaguya's dimensions.

2) Marble Phantasm is a connection to the nature of the world (not necessarily limited to Earth). Kaguya's sage powers (including TSB) are connected to the nature of the world. This will be a mental/control based struggle that can only be decided based on actual feats.

3).Arceuid's "immortality" and "concept of death" have been mentioned multiple times. Isn't Kaguya an alien being, just like a TYPE is? Even to the Naruto world, the Ootsutsuki clan were aliens. In Notes, an alien being has been shown to have very specific interactions with true Earth residents, which include not being affected by normal Earth attacks, being alien to the concept of death itself and being toxic and hostile to the environment of earth just by existing. If you actually want to apply TM rules to this battle, go right ahead - but please consider that as well.
 
Zerzavyx98 said:
Even if it's a different dimension, it wouldn't be Earth. The other planets haven't been shown to be inhabited and don't share any resemblence to Earth at all. Several have their own moons, and the fact that Kaguya made another dimension during the manga completely disapproves your opinion on if its Earth.
As for Arc's bloodlust, "she has access to unlimited amounts of power, but she must hold her bloodlust all the time, which can be tiring". When her blood lust runs out, she'll tire out meanwhile Kaguya has infinite stamina.

Also if Arc has conceptual durability and has the ability to be marginally higher than her opponent should she be tier 0? There's an end to Arc's power in some way and Kaguya has multiple ways to cut off her power source.
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That's the point.... it's Earth, just an alternate version of it. Yes, they share resamblances, like having moons of similar size, and literally ALL of them are enviroments that already exist on Earth. She only needs to hold her bloodlust in base form, this is ArcheType: Earth we're talking about. And bloodlust doesn't run out, that's not even possible. Arc shouldn't be Tier 0 because being alway more powerful than the enemy doesn't translate into Tier 0. Arc is a 3D being, so her limit is Tier 3-A. Kaguya has no way to cut her powers, and Kaguya also has limits to her power. And Even if Kaguya can cut her powers off, Arc can do the same by teleporting herself and Kaguya to the moon and them cuttin Kaguya's power to one sixth of it's original value.
 
Alakabamm said:
3).Arceuid's "immortality" and "concept of death" have been mentioned multiple times. Isn't Kaguya an alien being, just like a TYPE is? Even to the Naruto world, the Ootsutsuki clan were aliens. In Notes, an alien being has been shown to have very specific interactions with true Earth residents, which include not being affected by normal Earth attacks, being alien to the concept of death itself and being toxic and hostile to the environment of earth just by existing. If you actually want to apply TM rules to this battle, go right ahead - but please consider that as well.
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No, Kaguya isn't like a Type whatsoever.

1) Types are'nt aliens, They are the Ultimate Ones or Aristoteles are the ultimate beings from other planets, differing significantly from both creatures of Earth and each other biologically and in appearance. They do not have the same sense of self as humans, nor do they have the concepts of damage or death.

They basically represent their planet (aka ORT is Type Mercury, V/V is Type Venus)

You are assuming, because Kaguya is an Alien she hasn't a concept of death...that is a complete NLF
 
@Alakabamm Even by aplying TM rules, Kaguya's clan is a different type of aliens. Kaguya is a Naruto alien, not a TM one. And don't even try to compare Ootsutsukis to TYPEs. The only thing they have in common is being aliens. That's it. If we want to apply TM rules, Kaguya's interactions with Arc's powers wouldn't change, because she isn't a TYPE.
 
Personally, I feel like talking about Arceuid regarding concept of death and "intangibility" (which is extremely vague and honestly has always sounded like the same type of crap Obito pulls) as if nothing from another verse can touch her is far more NLF than me implying that Kaguya gets the benefit of being a Type Moon alien..

So here is my question to you: when has it ever been specified that then lack of a concept of damage/death for aliens in TM comes from them being TYPEs and receiving the backing of their planet and not from being aliens. It has always been referred to as an "alien-type" interaction and never in the context of planet support.

Also, when you say "sense of self," it's not like TM comes with such strange sense of selves that no verses can match them in strangeness. V/V even develops a pseudo-human personality after its "death."

My point is: TM rules work both ways and applying them on one side to the point that you are basically saying "well, x character can't even interact with them!" without a logical basis is an NLF in itself. Type Moon was not made with Versus Battles in mind. Interpret it logically.
 
1) Kaguya is not alien to Earth. Her origin is that she was a princess who ate a fruit and became a god. None of the Ootsutsuki's are alien. The others moved out of Earth, with a large majority moving to the moon in order to guard the seal that would release Kaguya. Others like Momoshiki and Kinshiki went far off into either another planet, or to another dimension.

2) "That's the point.... it's Earth, just an alternate version of it. Yes, they share resamblances, like having moons of similar size, and literally ALL of them are enviroments that already exist on Earth" No. They're not alternate Earths. This is disproven by the image of the Truth-seeking ball. It shows a new dimension being created so you can't just assume it's an "alternate Earth." Just because the areas share resemblance to environments on Earth doesn't mean is Earth. Earth's environments are not exclusive to Earth, but exclusive to planets with specific features, mainly ones that can start life.

3) "And Even if Kaguya can cut her powers off, Arc can do the same by teleporting herself and Kaguya to the moon and them cuttin Kaguya's power to one sixth of it's original value."

- "Arc can do the same by teleporting herself and Kaguya to the moon" Thats if Arc can each catch Kaguya

- "Arc can do the same by teleporting herself and Kaguya to the moon and them cuttin Kaguya's power to one sixth of it's original value." 1/6th of Planet level is still Small Planet level which would just bring her down to Arc's level. Even then, that concept doesn't seem right when put on a Naruto charactrer, especially a Bijuu itself. The Bijuu can always store up chakra forever so Kaguya will eventually be able to be at full power again. It's like a always charging battery that never dies out.

4) " Kaguya has no way to cut her powers" - I already proved that Kaguya could easily warp Arc into one of her dimensions and de-link Arc from Gaia so..
 
Kaguya and the Shinki are both alien to the Naruto world. The whole Ootsutsukis are. It was in the 4th databook.
 
@Zerzavyx She doesn't need to catch Kaguya to take her to the Moon. If Arc goes to the moon Kaguya will have to follow her to continue the fight. Kaguya only is Planet level with her strongest attack, anything else is weaker. Is Kaguya a Bijuu? i don't remember that being mentioned >.> And why do you think it wouldn't work on her? Even if she could go back to full power, Arc would only need to cut her power down again. The image of the Truth-seeking ball doesn't show me a dimension being created, it shows me a really big black ball. That's it. "Earth's enviroments are not exclusive to Earth, but exclusive to planets with specific features" I still need proof those planets are not just Earths in alternate dimensions. And if the enviroments are on Earth and on different planets, they're not exclusive to anything. And, as i already said, even without the link with Gaia, Arc still gains enough power to be marginally stronger than her enemy.
 
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