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Stop DownPlay Madara (2)

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Lord_Ahmed

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Since the first theard get closed for unrealistic reason

and just for I said an offensive word ( I know this is a mistake) but there isn't any mistake in what I said (about madara) . However , I get more reasons that make madara profile realistic and undownplay

First : How Madara (who is 5-C) send Naruto (who is 5-B) away with just one punch from his limbo

Rinbou Hengoku 9
that mean madara limbo is x2000 time stronger than madara as madara is 5-C and Naruto is 5-B

as the gap between it is x2000 times

unimaginable

this reason make madara ( 1 Rinnegan - Shinju ) is atleast 5-B Not 5-C

Second : Madara limbo also tank with his BA
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RE hand Naruto truth seeking orb attack with ease
that also make limbo 5-B


Third : Madara Tanked attack from naruto and sasuke combined without any effort

Naruto and sasuke vs madara double strike by weissdrum-d7fnp4c
as naruto is > 100 zt

and sasuke is > 100 zt

that make madara (1 Rinnegan - Shinju)

>>> 200 zt as he tank it without any effort

Forth : you can see also the another thread about downplay madara
 
I know I'm going to regret commenting on a Naruto thread about powerscaling but... I'll go over your points

1. "At least 5-B One Eyed Madara"... No. He'd only be 5-B at most no "At least". Plus you don't need to be much stronger or even as strong to send someone flying especially when they didn't see it coming.

2. Yes, Madara's Limbo did stop Naruto but Base So6P Naruto kicked One Eyed Madara's TSB away like nothing so... Inconsistent.

3. Again, Yes, Madara did take Naruto's Rasengan and Sasuke's Chidori... But then he proceeded to get cut clean in two by Sasuke's sword swing so... Inconsistent.

4. Several people disagreed with you on that thread you linked.

Conclusion: That Madara is Inconsistent 5-C is fine and doesn't seem like downplay to me, just seems like a safe rating but whatever.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
I know I'm going to regret commenting on a Naruto thread about powerscaling but... I'll go over your points
1. "At least 5-B One Eyed Madara"... No. He'd only be 5-B at most no "At least". Plus you don't need to be much stronger or even as strong to send someone flying especially when they didn't see it coming.

2. Yes, Madara's Limbo did stop Naruto but Base So6P Naruto kicked One Eyed Madara's TSB away like nothing so... Inconsistent.

3. Again, Yes, Madara did take Naruto's Rasengan and Sasuke's Chidori... But then he proceeded to get cut clean in two by Sasuke's sword swing so... Inconsistent.

4. Several people disagreed with you on that thread you linked.

Conclusion: That Madara is Inconsistent 5-C is fine and doesn't seem like downplay to me, just seems like a safe rating but whatever.
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1. yes,you don't need to be much stronger or even as strong to send someone flying but if this one was x2000 times stonger mmmm...... yes,you need

2. the one who is kicked by naruto was extreamly weakend and I am explained that in the first thread , and also this madara was just have 1 rinnegan after that he absorbed shinju and that make very huge boost

3.he is get cut becuase, sasuke catch him off guard like when ssgss goku catched off guard by tiny laser is that mean goku is weaker than that laser absolutely not

and also the rasengan and chidori feat is more reasonable

4. several people disagreed it without any reason , and the more people agree on something , doesn't mean that thing is right
 
1. Your putting Numbers with it, Masashi didn't think about the difference in power while he was writing this. People can be sent flying by those weaker then them while not paying attention but receive no damage, it happens a lot in fiction as a hole

2. He was weaked but I don't think that effects his TSB but ok...

3. Please don't bring up the laser against SSB Goku. Madara was also caught off guard by Naruto Rasengan and Sasuke's Chidori but survived it. Yet was caught off guard by Sasuke as well but got split in half. No matter how you spin it, it's inconsistent.

4. Those people that disagreed had reasons tho.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
1. Your putting Numbers with it, Masashi didn't think about the difference in power while he was writing this. People can be sent flying by those weaker then them while not paying attention but receive no damage, it happens a lot in fiction as a hole
2. He was weaked but I don't think that effects his TSB but ok...

3. Please don't bring up the laser against SSB Goku. Madara was also caught off guard by Naruto Rasengan and Sasuke's Chidori but survived it. Yet was caught off guard by Sasuke as well but got split in half. No matter how you spin it, it's inconsistent.

4. Those people that disagreed had reasons tho.
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1. that mean if i am an athlete with a power of 300 joules i could easily send a tank with a power of 600,000 joules (and can easily tank grenades and bombs and a lot of bullets) far way looks reasonable lol

2.Actually, there isn't a cleary letter explain that the truth seeking orb effect with the user chakra , But that doesn't mean that the orb at fullpower and not weakend but as you said it's ok

3. Ok... that mean that one of this feat is an outlier , and I guess that the cut feat is more reasonable to be an outlier

4. Can you give me one of these reasons ?
 
No one downplays Madara here.

Madara is as strong as Naruto physically and as strong as Sasuke in Occular Powers.

More Eyes=/=more physcal powers.

More eyes=Stronger Occular powers.
 
Dzhindzholia said:
No one downplays Madara here.
Madara is as strong as Naruto physically and as strong as Sasuke in Occular Powers.

More Eyes=/=more physcal powers.

More eyes=Stronger Occular powers.
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no , there is

madara (1 Rinnegan - Shinju) in his profile now is 5-C

or he is x2000 times weaker that SPSM naruto and that doesn't make sense

Madara ( 1 Rinnegan - Shinju ) >= Naruto + Sasuke

as he himself said that also he tanked a 200 Zt attack (Jinton Rasengan + Six Path Chidori ) without any effort and guess what they catched him off guard

PUT WAIT , THERE IS MORE

more eyes = more physcal power

as madara sage mode was calc to be small country but after 1 rinnegan he get huge boost that made him contient lvl in physcal power

more explain : when madara sage mode attacked the 9 bijuu he get kicked

but after 1 rinnegan even his limbo stomped all the 9 bijuu in one strike

and we all know that madara >= limbo
 
as madara sage mode was calc to be small country but after 1 rinnegan he get huge boost that made him contient lvl in physcal power

No,it made him continent lvl only via jutsus like Susanoo.

One eye Madara without Shinju is 5-C,because there is nothing he scales from,Shinju is also the vital part of his power.
 
If Madara is 5-C how SPSM Naruto coulnd't one-shot h─▒m after healing the Gai? Later with Lava RS?
 
Dzhindzholia said:
as madara sage mode was calc to be small country but after 1 rinnegan he get huge boost that made him contient lvl in physcal power
No,it made him continent lvl only via jutsus like Susanoo.

One eye Madara without Shinju is 5-C,because there is nothing he scales from,Shinju is also the vital part of his power.
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Hagoromo stated that madara is get close to his power

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6645e7c53f4c3707e137e1a14e0b4046

he said : he is using juubi power to try and get close to me

the letter is directly and clearly

and nope Hag wasn't making a statement about Madara's eyes

if he mean eye's power why he didn't say that " madara get close to my eye power because he is using Rinnegan power "

and also madara was extreamly weakend and i said that before and also calc it in the first thread to be 84 Zt

and naruto lave rasenshuriken is 100 Zt

make sense

also what tier is Madara ( 1 Rinnegan - Shinju ) ? and what he scale to in destructive cap ?
 
Dzhindzholia said:
as madara sage mode was calc to be small country but after 1 rinnegan he get huge boost that made him contient lvl in physcal powerNo,it made him continent lvl only via jutsus like Susanoo.
One eye Madara without Shinju is 5-C,because there is nothing he scales from,Shinju is also the vital part of his power.
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and also madara had susanoo when he was blind with sage mode lol your reason is been debunked in one line xd
 
Mindovin said:
Madara clearly states because Naruto become strong not because he weakened
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no , he first stated that he weakend then he noticed that naruto become stronger

and even if he stated that , we all see that madara get weakend from guy and get his body obliterated and his chakra get heavily decreased he is 100 % weakend
 
Mindovin said:
He regenerated an chakra cost isn't important
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Chakra is similar to Stamina

and when you chakra (stamina) gone you couldn't use your full power and madara didn't regenerated his full power he is regenerated like 70% - 80% at best and this percent that I use to clac what madara scale to so it's true

also his body isn't 100% regenerated , you can see that

Madara weakend 123
is this full power and full regenerated madara ? absoultly not , this is WEAKEND MADARA
 
@LordGriffin1000

@Dzhindzholia

@Mindovi

@Omimi


Since there isn't anyone debunked me for entrie 2 weaks

I would be happy if you agree with me

and if you disagree , you should disagree with at least one reason

anyway , this is list of the changes you should get in madara profile


1) Make another key for madara (Juubi Jin + Shinju) and chage some renders of madara keys

Madara ( Juubi Jin) render :

Madara uchiha rikudou sennin 02


Madara (Juubi Jin + Shinju) render :

Madara_uchiha_rikudou_mode_by_uchihaclanancestor-d94vywk.png


2) Madara Destructive Cap.

I would low-balling madara to make it savely rateing

Madara (Juubi Jin) > 140 zt

Madara (Juubi Jin) Weakend > 84 zt

Madara (Juubi Jin + Shinju) > 200+ zt and should be 250

Madara (Dual Rinnegan) > 300 - 350 zt

Madara (Rinnesharingan) > 400 zt

3) Madara Attack Potency : I would to start from Juubi Jin key + I would add the Shinju key

At least Planet level (Was stated to get close to Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's power) | Planet level ( Faced off against Naruto and Sasuke with Six Paths chakra , Tanked Naruto and Sasuke combined attack without any effort also he was caught off guard , His Limbo send Naruto flying a way with one strike , Also his limbo tanked Naruto's truth seeking orb attack with his bare hand ) | Planet level (Superior to Naruto and Sasuke , Send them togather flying a way with one limbo strike ) | Planet level (Must be comparable to Kaguya Ōtsutsuki , Also spread the God Tree's roots as a side effect of his Infinite Tsukuyomi)

3+) if you want to change anything in Attack Potency you can replay on this comment. lol
 
Dzhindzholia said:
Madara is fine right now,no changes needed.
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lol

no , there is

the 5-C madara and the trolling Destructive Cap.

anyway , after all this reasons and there isn't anybody debunked me

you said easily Madara is fine and bla bla bla , NO MADARA ISN'T FINE , HE IS DOWNPLAYED

I remember when I said "you should disagree with at least one reason"

give me one mistake in what I said

if there isn't any mistake , I think you should agree
 
You want to upgrade him?Create a blog and explain to us why should he be 5-B,just write a nice blog that is easy to read,gather your facts,scans etc.

We will read it after and decide what to do,because this arguing back and forth with you changes nothing.
 
Dzhindzholia said:
You want to upgrade him?Create a blog and explain to us why should he be 5-B,just write a nice blog that is easy to read,gather your facts,scans etc.
We will read it after and decide what to do,because this arguing back and forth with you changes nothing.
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lol , and why I create this thread ?

I gather like a lot of facts and scans

and after all these replies , there isn't anyone even you could debunk my facts and scans

Read this thread again , and give me atleast on mistake in my facts and scans

and one last time " If there isn't any mistake , I think you should agree "
 
@Lord Ahmed

1. Please stop saying Madara is being downplayed, that is a lie. Downplaying SoSP Madara would be me saying he's only a like 6-B or 6-A, that's downplay!.

2. Yes, you have brought facts but as I stated already, he is inconsistent. He has a statement of approaching the Sage's full power, blocks Naruto's TSB staff swing with his Limbo Clone which is just as strong as him, withstands an attack from both Naruto and Sasuke (Binding Rasengan and Chidori) without being pierced and sends Naruto flying with a hit.

HOWEVER!, His TSB was casually swatted away by base So6P Naruto, He is split completely in half by a sword swing from Sasuke, after he gets his other eye back (which people claim made him get a large power boost) his Limbo Clones which previously stop Naruto's attack and sent him flying are now only fighting evenly with Naruto's shadow clowns which wouldn't happen if he was much stronger.

Also, if I remember correctly he was repelled be base So6P Naruto's Rasensuriken. However I'm not to sure about this one tho as I can't remember the manga that well.

All in all I'm simply saying that Madara is NOT in anyway being downplayed here. However if you really think he should be solid 5-B instead of At least 5-C, likely far higher than I'll leave this open for more people to comment.
 
@LordGriffin1000

1- Madara (SO6P - 1 Rinnegan) is downplayed as Naruto is stronger x2000 times than him , But he was just weakend from fight with guy and I am calc it to be 84 Zt while Naruto's lava rasenshuriken is 100 Zt


2- One Word "Outlier" It's like how naruto SM maked a large hole in Juubito by just a rasengan , is that mean that naruto SM High 6-A ? I don't think so

3- Madara was weakend , How many times I would say that to realize that madara was weakend

Finally, I would be happy if you agree to upgrade madara for reasons I said it above If you desagree "you should desagree with atleast one reason" And please don't give me the (outlier things) like Madara get splited by sasuke or anything else

Bounse : I think (the split by sasuke feat) was made to show us how immortal madara is .
 
Where?

Because, Naruto get half of hagoromo power or 100 Zt

So SO6P Naruto = 100 Zt

And his Lava Rasenshuriken (By Logic) > 100 zt
 
AstralKing7 said:
this thread should have been closed when Madara was said to be 400zt lol
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I calced One Eyed Madara to be > 200+ Zt and should be 250

After the Another Rinnegan he was stomping naruto and sasuke combined with one strike from his limbo

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STOMP !!!!

So I think he got at very least 1.5 stronger than before
So he would be 300 Zt and should be 375

also this is a low-ball as naruto and sasuke have a power of at least 200 zt to stomp a character you should have at least x2 ~ x4 times stronger but anyway , I think 1.5 stronger is safe rating

and with rinnesharingan he would be 400 zt ( by logic )
 
how does this( gif ) look stomp to u lol

sasuke block his limbo attack and naruto just kick his limbo so where did u see madara stomping naruto and sasuke combined with one strike from his limbo .are joking with us smh...................

and even with 3rd eye he fail to stomp them

even naruto's clone can take on 3rd eye madara's limbo

some one need to close this joke thread
 
Omimi said:
how does this( gif ) look stomp to u lol

sasuke block his limbo attack and naruto just kick his limbo so where did u see madara stomping naruto and sasuke combined with one strike from his limbo .are joking with us smh...................

and even with 3rd eye he fail to stomp them

even naruto's clone can take on 3rd eye madara's limbo

some one need to close this joke thread
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Lol , And I said before "also this is a low-ball as naruto and sasuke have a power of at least 200 zt to stomp a character you should have at least x2 ~ x4 times stronger but anyway , I think 1.5 stronger is safe rating"

I just made madara x1.5 stronger than naruto and sasuke like if there is 2 humans (A) and (B) each one of them have the power of 100 joules , and there is another one (C) make them flying away for like tens of meter with one punch , what is the power of character (C) ? By logic the character (C) is superior to (A) and (C) , he is at very least x2 ~ x4 stronger than them , and guess what I didn't use even x2 stronger , I used just x1.5 stronger and I think it's safe rating

For Naruto Clones Vs Limbo Feats I said before it's an outlier and doesn't make sense

Finally , Why everyone want to close the thread , and acutely I get a lot of facts and scans There is a lot of upgrades and one of them is the 3rd Eyed Madara 400 zt There is the 200+ zt One Eyed madara and also add the shinju key and.... etc , if one of them is wrong that doesn't mean all of them wouldn't been accepted
 
your feats are inconsistent and poor. If madara was 400zt he would have been stumping naruto and sasuke matter of fact one shotting them. Instead Naruto and sasuke delt more damage to him than madara did to them
 
AstralKing7 said:
your feats are inconsistent and poor. If madara was 400zt he would have been stumping naruto and sasuke matter of fact one shotting them. Instead Naruto and sasuke delt more damage to him than madara did to them
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Nope , my feats isn't inconsistent

There is just 2 Outlier feats , the sasuke split feat and naruto clones feat

The 400 zt Madara didn't attack naruto and sasuke , not even the 300+ zt , the last one who is was fighting them , is One Eyed Madara , who is tanked 200+ zt attack (Jinton Rasengan + Six Path Chidori) without any effort and also they catched him off guard , by logic he is above 200 zt , Also Madara wasn't intersted for fight naruto and sasuke he want to activte the rinnesharingan then fight them.
 
@Lord Ahmed

Look. It's not just those two things that suggest he isn't that high. It's also his other showings, You provided the scan yourself. One eyed Madara's Limbo Clone blocks an attack from Naruto and sends him flying.

You assume that he got much stronger after getting his other eye but if we used your logic, instead of Madara's Limbo Clones sending Naruto and Sasuke back they would have been killed in one shot and don't even bother saying he was holding back when he had no reason to and wanted them out of his way.

Same goes for Hogamoro's statement about Madara approaching his full power while he only had one eye. If that was the case he would have been fairing much better against Naruto and Sasuke with one eye yet he opted to get his other eye but even when he did he didn't proceed to stomp Naruto or Sasuke at all. He simply just sent them flying back and they quickly recovered.

I and other members have given you reasons against this, you simply just don't accept them and claim we didn't give any. Madara is fine where he is currently rated. At least Moon level, possibly far higher. This means we do acknowledge that he is possibly stronger but he is inconsistent.

We aren't downplaying Madara at all. Hell his next keys are 5-B. Given that pretty much everyone disagrees and this is just going back and forth, I'm closing this thread. I'd appreciate it if you don't create another one of these threads and drop the subject.
 
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