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Everything is in the blog, but I'll list who I think scales, as well as what to do about the low-low tiers (like the Weird Fangs).
There's a clear difference between the Gilthunder that performed the feat and the Gilthunder that later fought Sword-using Meliodas. In the former instance, he was trying to give Meliodas a message, not kill him. In the latter, Meliodas confirmed both were fighting to kill in order to fool Hendrickson and Vivian. This matters because we currently have Sealed Weaponless Meliodas, who traded attacks with Casual Gilthunder and casually broke out of his Lightning Bindings, as Low 7-B rather than 7-B.
Ten Commandment-tiers were put at 6-B+ because everyone assumed the 180 teraton low-end was used, along with the "we're twice as strong as you guys in general" statement by the Archangels, but as I said above the 368 end was the one that should have been used. I will list out the evidence that originally made the Ten Commandments scale to Archangels just in case it is needed:
Possible 6-A Assault Mode Meliodas and The One Escanor, and High 6-A Gods
This has been brought up in the past in the general discussion thread, though I forget who originally proposed it. Basically, with the 368 teraton end being the accepted one, there is a question of whether to bump AM Meliodas and The One Escanor up to 6-A. You need to be 2.07 times stronger than 368 teratons to be 6-A, and Assault Mode Meliodas wrecked Late Morning Escanor pretty easily, LM Escanor being >>> Tarmiel. The One fodderized AM Mel with a casual wave of his hand. This would also lead to the Demon King and Supreme Deity being High 6-A.
The scaling chain (from Peter1129) goes: 100% Demon King = 100% Supreme Deity >>> 50% Demon King = 50% Supreme Deity >>> 5C Assault Mode Meliodas > The One Mael >> The One Escanor >>> Assault Mode Meliodas >> Late Morning Escanor >> Zeldris w/ God > Post-Revival Demon Mark Meliodas > Ludoshel > Sariel = Tarmiel (368 Teratons)
- The accepted end for Tarmiel's Ocean calc was actually 368 teratons. No one had ever asked which end was approved, and this makes new revisions necessary since prior revisions used the lowest end to be safe. Credit to Peter1129 for bringing the issue up, because I hadn't thought enough about it.
Everything is in the blog, but I'll list who I think scales, as well as what to do about the low-low tiers (like the Weird Fangs).
There's a clear difference between the Gilthunder that performed the feat and the Gilthunder that later fought Sword-using Meliodas. In the former instance, he was trying to give Meliodas a message, not kill him. In the latter, Meliodas confirmed both were fighting to kill in order to fool Hendrickson and Vivian. This matters because we currently have Sealed Weaponless Meliodas, who traded attacks with Casual Gilthunder and casually broke out of his Lightning Bindings, as Low 7-B rather than 7-B.
- Everyone who scales to Casual Gilthunder (Sealed Weaponless Meliodas, Weaponless Diane, Guila, Red Demon, etc.) goes to 7-A, 447 megatons. After all, the 447 megatons was simply used to gather the clouds necessary to perform Gilthunder's actual technique, the Lightning Bindings. Which Weaponless Meliodas and Weaponless Diane snapped out of no problem. Basically, many of the current Low 7-Bs become straight up 7-A.
- Everyone who scales to Sealed Sword-Using Meliodas (Gideon Diane, King, Armed Ban, Serious Gilthunder, Dreyfus, Hendrickson, etc.) goes to 7-A+. You only need to be 1.23 times stronger than 447 megatons to be 7-A+, and Weaponless Meliodas and Ban together didn't do a bit of damage to Dale, while Sword Meliodas easily cut him.
- The current "At least 7-B+" characters (Albions, Gray Demon Hendrickson, Sealed Demon Mark Meliodas, etc.) will go to "At least 7-A+". Demon Mark Meliodas casually stopped Serious Gilthunder's Iron Hammer with his fingers, and Gray Demon Hendrickson is self-explanatory from his profile.
- Current 7-A characters (Matrona, Pre-Training Diane w/Friends, Post-Training Base Diane, Sealed Wrath Meliodas, and Pre-Training True Spirit Spear King) will go to High 7-A. We were given the three-stat breakdown for Matrona, who is over twice as physically strong and has over twice the magic Pre-Training Diane had. This would put her over the baseline by default.
- The current fodder tiers (Weird Fangs, Dogedo, several Lesser Demons, etc.) are a bit tricky. Ruin drew blood from Meliodas with his punch, implying he scales somewhat, but he was also clearly much weaker overall. Same case with Jude casually stabbing Ban through the chest despite Ban also taking hits from Meliodas. Since even Sealed Weaponless Meliodas scales to 447 megatons, it's possible that Ruin and his ilk simply scale to a much lower degree of 7-A, but I'd appreciate input.
Ten Commandment-tiers were put at 6-B+ because everyone assumed the 180 teraton low-end was used, along with the "we're twice as strong as you guys in general" statement by the Archangels, but as I said above the 368 end was the one that should have been used. I will list out the evidence that originally made the Ten Commandments scale to Archangels just in case it is needed:
- First of all, remember that power levels are a three-stat breakdown, the overall doesn't actually mean anything. Tarmiel could be 40k/40k/10k and still be 90k, yet each stat is only really in the middle of Commandment-tier.
- Archangels directly state they're only about twice as powerful as Commandments. They don't mention "power levels" or "combat classes", only power, which matches the plot point below.
- Ludoshel states he needs to intervene when Tarmiel and Sariel are each fighting two Commandments.
- Sariel and Tarmiel HAD their Graces back then, and Sariel was using his offensively.
- The entire plot of the war hinges on the Commandments and Archangels being generally comparable, even though Archangels were individually stronger than individual Commandments. With Mael out of the war, the Goddesses (Ludoshel, Tarmiel, and Sariel) judged themselves unable to win and resorted to the Seal.
- The Commandments were easily able to injure Sariel and Tarmiel and tank many of their attacks, despite Ark being effective against Demons.
- In Chapters 120-121, Meliodas literally could not scratch Galand in his Base form w/Lostvayne, in his Demon form w/Lostvayne, or in his Wrath form w/Lostvayne. The first time he makes Galand bleed is after he gets his power back.
- Matrona did not even scratch Galand either. Nor did she scratch Monspeet, despite Monspeet's heavily drained state.
- Derieri in the recent chapter, along with King, wasn't taking any noticeable damage from berserk Truth/Reticence Estarossa, once again pounding the point home that there's not a huge difference in AP between Commandment-levels and AA-levels.
- Again in today's Chapter 275, King and Gowther can actually take some attacks from Three Commandment + Goddess Powers Mael without getting insta-wrecked. At the end they are portrayed alongside Tarmiel and Sariel as comparable fighters against Mael.
- Galand barely cutting Escanor makes sense, because mid-morning Escanor also only got slightly injured from double his own attack power. His durability is simply much greater than his shown attack. At best you could argue that Escanor's durability feat against Galand is the outlier compared to all the evidence above.
Possible 6-A Assault Mode Meliodas and The One Escanor, and High 6-A Gods
This has been brought up in the past in the general discussion thread, though I forget who originally proposed it. Basically, with the 368 teraton end being the accepted one, there is a question of whether to bump AM Meliodas and The One Escanor up to 6-A. You need to be 2.07 times stronger than 368 teratons to be 6-A, and Assault Mode Meliodas wrecked Late Morning Escanor pretty easily, LM Escanor being >>> Tarmiel. The One fodderized AM Mel with a casual wave of his hand. This would also lead to the Demon King and Supreme Deity being High 6-A.
The scaling chain (from Peter1129) goes: 100% Demon King = 100% Supreme Deity >>> 50% Demon King = 50% Supreme Deity >>> 5C Assault Mode Meliodas > The One Mael >> The One Escanor >>> Assault Mode Meliodas >> Late Morning Escanor >> Zeldris w/ God > Post-Revival Demon Mark Meliodas > Ludoshel > Sariel = Tarmiel (368 Teratons)
