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Momoshiki Upgrade.

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So, in the Boruto novel 3 shinobi no yoruMomoshiki destroyed a star.

The novel mentioned the sun was dying, confirming Momoshiki destroyed it. I could go as far as saying the star was undergoing a supernova; the novel stated "the dying star emitted a synchrotron radiation."

A synchrotron radiation encompasses a light that is more than a billion times greater than the light of the sun. Similarly when a star explodes, It suddenly increases in brightness by a factor of many billions times.

According to this a supernova does in fact emit synchrotron radiation. Ergo, Momoshiki destroyed the star by triggering its supernova.

Following, this particular novel is part of Boruto Naruto Next Generation official timeline, positing it's canon.

Possible rebuttals.

"This is an outlier feat"

Except Momoshiki has other feats that opposes the case.

In Boruto episode 65, Momoshiki asserted he created his nursery. Keep in mind nursery is a term used by the Otsutsuki clan to refer to planets. So basically, Momoshiki created a planet.

Momoshiki was suggested to be stronger than Kaguya (Sasuke stated Momoshiki and Kishinki were the pursuers Kaguya was afraid of), who was going to destroy a planet, and the space surrounding it. It was also heavily implied she created several planets, one of which contained the dual moons.

There's also the fact Momoshiki has eaten more chakra fruits than Kaguya from several god-trees, meaning he has acquired more power.

"If Momoshiki could cause a supernova, why was he defeated so easily."

He was defeated when he dropped his guard. Pay no attention to the movie; in the Boruto novelization (It should be noted this novel is currently being incorporated by anime) when his Rasengan, and Boruto's Rasengan amped by Naruto clashed, they both varnished. Momoshiki then laughed and taunted his opponents, satisfied he had negated Boruto's Rasengan. Unknowing to him, Boruto's Rasengan didn't exactly dissappear, it simply wasn't projected physically. The Rasengan thus swallowed Momoshiki whole while he was taunting his opponents; when his guard was down.

Additionally, the Otsutsuki are known to be susceptible to harm when they drop their guard.


E.g Kishinki got kicked by Kurotsuchiwhen he dropped his guard.

Kaguya was blitzed by Kakashi, which caught her by surprised signaling she was off guard.

"Why didn't Momoshiki oneshot the Kages"

Momoshiki had no longer had any offensive attack. Sasuke specifically addressed this.

"Why didn't he oneshot Naruto and Sasuke"

Naruto and Sasuke were superlative ninjas, in the sense their abilities were of the highest degree. Momoshiki was an incompetent in comparison as he lacked knowledge in rudimentary training. Basically, he didn't know how to fight. Coupled with the fact his speed was similar to that of Naruto and Sasuke, and the fact he had no offensive attack, he couldn't overcame them.

"Does Naruto and Sasuke scale to this feat"

No they don't. Momoshiki was stronger than them. The anime summary mentioned that Momoshiki exhibited powers not inferior to Naruto and Sasuke. Then the anime added these power obtained are greater than Naruto's.

In fact, Momoshiki looked at Naruto chakra, and still called him fodder.

Conclusion. This feat at very least pegged Momoshiki at Solar-system level which makes sense, again, considering he's stronger than Kaguya, not to mention he has eaten more chakra fruits than her.
 
we dont accept the novel as canon because of the other showings of Momoshiki but you could ask for a Light Novel Key for Momoshiki since his Light Novel incarnation is much different than his Manga and Anime and movie forms. Thats the only thing i can tell you bro
 
AstralKing7 said:
we dont accept the novel as canon because of the other showings of Momoshiki but you could ask for a Light Novel Key for Momoshiki since his Light Novel incarnation is much different than his Manga and Anime and movie forms. Thats the only thing i can tell you bro
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The Boruto novels are part of the official timeline, so they're canon.

Also, the novels are supervised by Ukyō Kodachi, the same guy who writes the Manga.

In short saying it's not canon is basically an opinion.
 
the boruto novel isnt canon to the movie, manga or anime thats wht im saying and is why you should instead ask for a different Key. Saying it isnt canon is a fact bbacked up by the manga which is the primary canon and it didnt have him absorbing a Star. You need to ask for a Light Novel Key since the Light Novel characters are so much different
 
Also, Boruto novel 3 shinobi no yoru =/= Boruto Movie novelization.

Boruto novel 3 shinobi no yoru is a novel adapted from the anime.

Boruto Movie novelization is specifically for the movie.

Boruto novel 3 shinobi no yoru is part of the official timeline, and Boruto Movie novelization is currently being adapted by the anime for additional scenes.
 
the manga is being adapted by the anime not the novel lmao. The anime came after the novel so you are wrong. All of it is apart of the ofiicial timeline they just have different things in them which is why we have a Manga and Movie key for Momoshiki already.
 
AstralKing7 said:
the boruto novel isnt canon to the movie, manga or anime thats wht im saying and is why you should instead ask for a different Key. Saying it isnt canon is a fact bbacked up by the manga which is the primary canon and it didnt have him absorbing a Star. You need to ask for a Light Novel Key since the Light Novel characters are so much different
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You're missing it up.

Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru is based on the anime.

It was included in the official Boruto timeline, which INCLUDED THE MANGA.

Momoshiki feat of destroying the star was stated on Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru.

I added statements from Boruto Movie novel to give a reasonable view of the feat.

Also, triggering a supernova is Solar-system level.
 
dude what dont you understand about the light novel coming before the anime?? Also there wasnt anything stated in the light novel about a supernova because i read all of it. The fact is manga takes primary canon over the anime and movie. Thats why we have a manga key and a movie key. Just ask for a Light Novel key to get star level Momoshiki cause im telling you its not gonna happen if you just wanna change his stats from planet to star level when he didnt do it in the manga or movie which is why you need to ask for a Light Novel key first before anything
 
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dude what dont you understand about the light novel coming before the anime?? Also there wasnt anything stated in the light novel about a supernova because i read all of it. The fact is manga takes primary canon over the anime and movie. Thats why we have a manga key and a movie key. Just ask for a Light Novel key to get star level Momoshiki cause im telling you its not gonna happen if you just wanna change his stats from planet to star level when he didnt do it in the manga or movie which is why you need to ask for a Light Novel key first before anything
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Sigh.

Listen;
You're referring to the Boruto Movie Novel which came before the anime.

The solar system level feat is from Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru recently released
https://web.archive.org/web/20170731215549/http://j-books.shueisha.co.jp/news_newrelease/boruto3

This novel is based on the anime, specifically from Nue arc.

You read the novelization of the movie, not the light novels based on the anime.

This specific novel was included as part of the Boruto official timeline, which includes the Manga. Ergo, it's canon.

Also, the anime and manga are different, as in they are independent canon, just like Dragonball Super anime and manga.
 
Zrd5GUV
Isn't this just saying the shinju pretty much drained the planet of it's life and that he likely killed all the inhabitants of this planet?
How does anything in this post imply he is a star buster?

Where and how did he trigger this supernova you claim?
 
I agree. Star+ Momoshiki makes sense at this point. The novels used have their rightful place on several, not just one, official timeline. They are canon to the current story being told. With context, the small measure of ambiguity surrounding momoshiki' power should reach new clarification. Good post.
 
hmm that does confirm he is star level but at the same time we would still need a new key for him that is from the Light Novel. In the anime he hadn't abosrbed any star. The Light novel may be based on the Anime but it doesnt take everythingi from the anime which is why we see him absorbing a star but not in the anime episode ALso you need to give a little more proof of where it says he is absorbing it cause imo its enough since he has a similar feat in the later light novel of the movie but here we dont have enough
 
Frantzy12 said:
Zrd5GUV
Isn't this just saying the shinju pretty much drained the planet of it's life and that he likely killed all the inhabitants of this planet?
How does anything in this post imply he is a star buster?

Where and how did he trigger this supernova you claim?
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Re-read it again.
There's a mention of the planet in ruins, implying it was destroyed.

Anime also showed the planet in ruins, without an atmosphere implying it was destroyed.
https://i.imgur.com/HHojMIcl.jpg

He destroyed the star, and by extension, part of planet when he harvested the chakra fruit.
Then sun was dying, and releasing synchrotron radiation.

Synchrotron radiation produces a light billions of time brighter than the Sun, which happens during a supernova.
 
was he absorbing the star tho??? If we use the anime tho it would seem that he did absorb the sun since we the atmoshphere is literally destroyed and we actually didnt see a sun anywhere. But this is assuming if he absorbed the sun tho which we need more proof from that
 
AstralKing7 said:
hmm that does confirm he is star level but at the same time we would still need a new key for him that is from the Light Novel. In the anime he hadn't abosrbed any star. The Light novel may be based on the Anime but it doesnt take everythingi from the anime which is why we see him absorbing a star but not in the anime episode ALso you need to give a little more proof of where it says he is absorbing it cause imo its enough since he has a similar feat in the later light novel of the movie but here we dont have enough
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The anime wasn't detailed.
Even though It depicted Momoshiki on a planet that had been likely destroyed, we initially thought this place was his dimension.

But it turns out it was civilization he wiped out, which was revealed by the novel.
 
besides that bruh this needs to be discussed on the general discussion thread for naruto and boruto. This needs more input. We may have to consider the novel canon to the anime only. We need more proof of the novel following the anime sadly tho lol.
 
AstralKing7 said:
was he absorbing the star tho??? If we use the anime tho it would seem that he did absorb the sun since we the atmoshphere is literally destroyed and we actually didnt see a sun anywhere. But this is assuming if he absorbed the sun tho which we need more proof from that
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He wasn't absorbing the star.

He outright destroyed it.

And here's a better depiction of the planet in ruins. And if pay attention, there's a huge body in the background, likely the sun after it had underwent a supernova.

https://i.imgur.com/QSnb8pyl.jpg
 
...you do know that if the sun had went supernova the planet would be gone right lol??? Also im pretty sure if the sun had gone supenove the sun wouldnt still be there either.
 
AstralKing7 said:
...you do know that if the sun had went supernova the planet would be gone right lol??? Also im pretty sure if the sun had gone supenove the sun wouldnt still be there either.
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When a star explodes, a relative small star is left called the neutron star.

https://www.space.com/22180-neutron-stars.html

The star we see on the background logically is this star, after the larger star had exploded.

Additionally, in the background, there's also rubbles of space matter, likely left after part of the planet was destroyed.
https://i.imgur.com/QSnb8pyl.jpg

Moreover, if our sun exploded, it wouldn't even completely destroy the earth lol.

https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/supernove-distance
 
In addition to that, the link introduced an example that put the topic "when happens to a star when it explodes 30 Light years from us" into question.

The conclusion was that, it wouldn't destroy our planet surface, which implies it would destroy the atmosphere.

This is a characteristic displayed on the planet Momoshiki sat on. The planet had no atmosphere, and there were countless space rubbles above it.

I think its pretty irrefutable the star underwent a supernova by Momoshiki, following the fact the anime displayed a realistic depiction of what happens after a supernova.
 
half of our earth will be gone and assuming that that large body we see is the sun and its that close means the planet should literally lmao like you cant say that it shouldnt when we so how close it is to theplanent
 
bruh wtf you do realize that object we see in the sky is so much larger than a city right lmao that should have told you that wasnt a neutron star lmao. They are supposed to be the sizes of citys but instead its huge like stellar level huge. Thats not a neutron star
 
Im just gonna suggest that for anyone who agrees with this, don't make baseless assumptions.

Because your just going to show the negative side of this being denied than actually making convincing points on why its acceptable.
 
AstralKing7 said:
half of our earth will be gone and assuming that that large body we see is the sun and its that close means the planet should literally lmao like you cant say that it shouldnt when we so how close it is to theplanent
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The planet would know longer be susceptible to its original orbit after a star is destroyed, meaning the planet is free to wander anywhere in space, including getting close to the star left after the original was destroyed.

https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/supernove-distance
 
there needs to be more input on this, but gladly a lot of things are already answered. We do know things happened, but not the extent.
 
the thing is we dont know how far away the planet was from the star tho so we are just assuming. Or how close it was. There is alot of stuff wrong with the scans too. It seems like they are sayng that people lived on the star at the bottom of link but that should literally be impossible. Then if we dont believe that, why would Momoshiki destroy a star when that would effect the planets life??? The planet would also die making life growing on the planet impossible as well. IN other words the Divine tree wouldnt be able to grow. As much as i would love Star level light novel Momoshiki we need more proof and logical reasoning cause the link and scans are not proving that in the slightest
 
AstralKing7 said:
bruh wtf you do realize that object we see in the sky is so much larger than a city right lmao that should have told you that wasnt a neutron star lmao. They are supposed to be the sizes of citys but instead its huge like stellar level huge. Thats not a neutron star
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It's takes a significant amount of time, for a sun after it had been exploded, to form a neutron star.

The size gets smaller and smaller as time goes.

Which again, correspond with what was shown on the anime.
Momoshiki destroyed the star recently, so the star was still enroute to becoming a neutron star.
 
we dont know the distant the planet was from the sun tho. If he had just destroyed the sun that close the planet should be destroyed as well since you just said it takes time for a star to get small, it takes time for the planets to drift away as well since the star was just recently destroyed and this is without taking into account that it looks like the star is too close for the planet to still be in one piece and the fact that the Divine tree would not grow with a dead sun if its not getting any light and energy from the planet. We all know how plants grow by needing water, fertile soil and water, but if the sun is gone then the planet is dead and there shouldnt be any Divine Tree lol
 
AstralKing7 said:
the thing is we dont know how far away the planet was from the star tho so we are just assuming. Or how close it was. There is alot of stuff wrong with the scans too. It seems like they are sayng that people lived on the star at the bottom of link but that should literally be impossible. Then if we dont believe that, why would Momoshiki destroy a star when that would effect the planets life??? The planet would also die making life growing on the planet impossible as well. IN other words the Divine tree wouldnt be able to grow. As much as i would love Star level light novel Momoshiki we need more proof and logical reasoning cause the link and scans are not proving that in the slightest
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It's a reasonable estimate.
The star was called a sun, so it's planets, and the cosmic make-up is likely similar to ours.

By denotation, people who lives on the planet of a star, essentially are part of the star.

The Otsutsuki are known to traverse worlds, harvesting god-tree and killing everyone They don't maintain the planet's life, except Kaguya who disobeyed the clan.

Momoshiki was going to wipe out the planet surface, and life on it because he didn't want interference while he makes a god-tree out of Naruto.

In Boruto 63, Momoshiki stated this;

"We need to till this seedbed and clean it up again"

This statements denotes he was going to wipe the planet's surface.
The word "seedbed" in this case means a planet prepared for planting god-trees. Ergo, Momoshiki was going to wipe out the planet's surface by cleaning it up.

It should be noted the use of the word "seedbed" is appropriate since the Otsutsuki clan are essentially farmers who traverse worlds, planting the god-trees on them.

To substantiate this, Momoshiki called the earth—seedbed.
https://i.imgur.com/Gdnu9IYl.jpg

The scans directly prove he's Solar System level. You're just being incredulous.
 
AstralKing7 said:
we dont know the distant the planet was from the sun tho. If he had just destroyed the sun that close the planet should be destroyed as well since you just said it takes time for a star to get small, it takes time for the planets to drift away as well since the star was just recently destroyed and this is without taking into account that it looks like the star is too close for the planet to still be in one piece and the fact that the Divine tree would not grow with a dead sun if its not getting any light and energy from the planet. We all know how plants grow by needing water, fertile soil and water, but if the sun is gone then the planet is dead and there shouldnt be any Divine Tree lol
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You do know the sun would still be swollen, covering the distance between it and the planet, right?

Basically, the earth wouldn't need to cover a huge distance to reach the sun since it's swollen up..

Lmao Momoshiki created a dead tree on a dead planet, and was going to create another one with Naruto's chakra.
It doesn't sound like you're knowledgeable about Naruto at all. Sorry to say.
 
momoshiki was gonna wipe out the life on the planet. Not the inside of the planet where the roots of the tree would be absorbing energy from. He was talking about all of the humans on the planet.


Also at this point your just picking and choosing what you want. How is this solar system level when the planet is right there next to the star but you yourself said the planets leave over time but the Star hasnt finished getting smaller like you said. You also said the planet would have drifted away after time but since you said Momoshiki had just destroyed the sun it shouldnt have been getting smaller and since it hasnt gotten smaller the planet hadn started drifiting away yet since we see it right there near the Star. In other words we cant use this because the planet should have been destroyed because of your own logic which you are choosing to ignore and just pick out certain parts that suit your upgrade
 
At the absolute best, he'd be star level, not even a plus. Solar system level is ridiculously unbased.

That said, I have no opinion on this. I'm not even neutral. I'll probably be against this, but I'll wait for Kep or Matt to be certain.
 
its even been stated that Earth was going to be destroyed if the Divine tree had kept absorbing all of its life and natural energy
 
The real cal howard said:
At the absolute best, he'd be star level, not even a plus. Solar system level is ridiculously unbased.
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This and a little bit of the bottom.

I'd be okay with this upgrade but not right off the bat. Because I know there are going to be issues with this. Just waiting for someone to point them out and discuss before I reach a decision myself.
 
AstralKing7 said:
momoshiki was gonna wipe out the life on the planet. Not the inside of the planet where the roots of the tree would be absorbing energy from. He was talking about all of the humans on the planet.


Also at this point your just picking and choosing what you want. How is this solar system level when the planet is right there next to the star but you yourself said the planets leave over time but the Star hasnt finished getting smaller like you said. You also said the planet would have drifted away after time but since you said Momoshiki had just destroyed the sun it shouldnt have been getting smaller and since it hasnt gotten smaller the planet hadn started drifiting away yet since we see it right there near the Star. In other words we cant use this because the planet should have been destroyed because of your own logic which you are choosing to ignore and just pick out certain parts that suit your upgrade
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Momoshiki was going to wipe the planet's surface, which he meant when he said "we need to clean this seedbed again" as in clean the planet's surface.

Admittedly, I forgot about the fact the star would increase a size during a supernova.

However, it does fall in place within the gap of what I said.

The planet was close to the star because it was drifting in space, and the fact the sun was swollen up.

The planet can drift anywhere after a star explodes. There's no specific direction it moves. In this case, it moves towards the star after it had been exploded star.

Additionally, you're getting this wrong because your logic is based on this;
"A planet remain static when a star is recently destroyed."

A planet doesn't remain static when a star is recently gets destroyed.

It moves anywhere, there's no specific.
 
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