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Momoshiki Upgrade.

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AstralKing7 said:
you do know the planet was dead because of the tree right??
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Good god, watch the latest episode.

Momoshiki created a god-tree on a dead planet from Bee's chakra. He was going to create another from Naruto's chakra.

"even been stated that Earth was going to be destroyed if the Divine tree had kept absorbing all of its life and natural energy"

Now he uses filler :/
 
We don't know where the planet was in the first place which means we are just assuming everything about the distance and if it did move and how far it moved and if it even started moving yet
 
AstralKing7 said:
We don't know where the planet was in the first place which means we are just assuming everything about the distance and if it did move and how far it moved and if it even started moving yet
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Like l said, the star was called a su, which posit the cosmic make-up of the star is similar to ours, that includes the distance of the various planets from the sun. Avowedly, the planet Momoshiki sat on was called the earth, cementing this notion.

That being said, I normally don't like using real life logic in fiction because it causes a lot of mental gymnastics, and constant adjustment of one's argument. Nonetheless, we can't ignore the anime tried to depict a realistic impression of what happens after a star is destroyed. Inexorably, the anime can't be accurate about this, since the event is in large part, based on speculations.

The fact remains though, Momoshiki destroyed a star, and by the virtue the novel stated synchrotron was emitted; the destruction was a supernova.

He didn't absorb star.
When Kaguya harvested the chakra fruit from a god-tree, the star didn't explode, so that rubbish the logic that it was because he harvested the god-tree, the star exploded.

Additionally, this is canon, so it actually happened.
As asserted, the feat was stated on a novel included as part of Boruto Naruto Next Generation official timeline.

This novel is different from the Boruto novel of the movie.
I only included events from this particular novel to show Momoshiki's defeat in the movie, and the manga was a last minute change. Since the anime is currently adapting the novel and the manga, there's a likelihood that scene would be done in regards to what happened in the novel.
 
So I forgot to add this. According to this a supernova does in fact emit synchrotron radiation.

....Radio waves and X-rays were detected soon after, as Sonneborn predicted. The radio waves are so-called synchrotron radiation, emitted by ions in the shock wave as they accelerate around magnetic fields in the gas.
 
Kepekley23 said:
No, they aren't. They are tertiary canon at best, considering they are supporting canon to the Boruto Movie, which has been retconned.
Momoshiki is not 4-C. Nobody on Naruto is.
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Again;

What you're referring to is Boruto novel of the movie.
The feat I posted is from Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru, a complete separate novel released last year October.

This novel is part of several light novels released by shueisha with Ikemoto as the official illustrator.

These light novels were included into the Boruto, Naruto Next Generation official timeline, implying they are canon.

The light novels are based on the anime. It has nothing to do with the movie.
 
The Boruto Movie novels also used to be on the NG timeline. Doesn't mean it's still canon.
 
People don't even remember the past discussions we had on this. Those threads are just memories of nobody.


e.e
 
Idea: Maybe there should be a Recommended Reading list of past CRT threads and the like for different verses on their (Universe) page?
 
Kepekley23 said:
The Boruto Movie novels also used to be on the NG timeline. Doesn't mean it's still canon.
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Boruto novel was never included in the official timeline.

Also, this specific novel (Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru) was illustrated by the same guy who draws the Manga, coupled with the fact it was included in official timeline.

The novel doesn't contradict anything considering it's based on anime, precisely from the nue arc. It's more detailed however.
 
These links depicts the various timeline of Naruto/Boruto Naruto Next Generation.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

No where was Boruto novel of the movie included in the timeline without the movie referenced. However, Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru is included in two of them, with the other one being outdated.
 
I am neutral on this but if the original Boruto novel was not included in the time line. Then they can not really be equated.
 
By the way, the movie only had one novel. Not sure why you're saying "Boruto Movie Novels."
 
Boruto the movie and the movie novel have largely been retconned, though not entirely. Still the post is about a separate novel. One that is based on and relevant to the story as it's told in the anime.

Now events from the movie and the movie novel have made its way to the anime. For example, the 'extension' of the kinshiki vs Sasuke' fight. Their clash in the anime was nearly word for word how it happened in the movie novel. Plus it's the same people who writes the novels that writes the manga, and there's no need to explain every example of manga elements in the anime.

Again, they are canon. Granted some aspects of that novel may not be, burn generally speaking they are and will continue to be.

The feats in the post are credible, and are not inconsistent with other displays of Momoshiki' power nor his character.
 
Couldn't therebe a key for the novels then? If they are rapresented with such different power levels, it could be allowed
 
I should add this;

The novelization which is dismissed to be non-canon is being partly adapted by the anime.

The dialogues are almost identical, such as Momoshiki saying "he was going to clean the seedbed."

Momoshiki also said he created his nursery, which mirrors Sasuke's statement in the novel of which he said Momoshiki created his parallel dimension. This wasn't stated in the Manga.

It brings the question; why'd the anime use dialogues from the Boruto novel of the movie, if it's not canon...?
 
And not to be anachronistic, here's a recent Boruto timeline which includes the five novels. Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru is part of these class of novels.

Thus, it's canon. Even if we go with contradicting argument, Boruto 3 shinobi no yoru does not contradict the anime. In fact, it makes us understand better the events of the anime.

This very novel completely made us understand what was going on the anime; when Momoshiki was shown eating a chakra fruit on an unknown dimension. Initially, we thought it was an Otsutsuki dimension, or that was the general impression. However, the novel explained it was an unknown world that had been destroyed by Momoshiki.

So, again, why is this novel considered non-canon, if it doesn't contradict anything, but instead clarifies the anime?

Unless the original argument is that the anime is non-canon...despite the anime is basically an independent canon for the reason anime only characters are shown in the Manga, and the fact Kishimoto is part of the anime supervisors.
 
I don't really think that "timeline" of yours means much when all of it's in Japanese, and precious few people here can read Japanese.
 
The timeline is fine but the wording of the novel is kinda vague

From how i see it, the Star was dying and released Synchrotron Radiation, Momoshiki used that radiation to scorch the surface of the planet and kill everyone there.

Whether Momoshiki killed the Star or not is up to debate since the star could've been dying anyway? But that would be kind of a coincidence
 
I've seen the timeline on the official website it's there and technically the novels came out after the episodes.

Also I don't think we ever discussed if the Light novels for the Boruto anime were canon because no one even knew about them because they were just released months ago. I do remember the discussion tho for the Movie Novel.

Also it doesn't matter if it is canon tho it can just have a different Key since the novels are so different the the canon in the first place. We do it for other verses anyway. We got a Manga and Movie key for Momoshiki already
 
  • Please refrain from attempting to upgrade Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. We have exhausted the topic and decided it's inconsistent with the franchise's overall showing of power and thus it is now typically viewed as an outlier. Also, it was similarly decided that Kaguya should not be granted planet level attack potency for her casual attacks, as the only scene where this rating would be warranted is strife with PIS and a lack of feats, thus forcing us to rate her at this level only via the Expansive Truth-Seeker Ball. Insistence of this will be unappreciated. Also, although at least one of her pocket realms was confirmed to contain a star, the relative size of it was deemed questionable, and it was discarded as a result.
 
Frantzy12 said:
*Please refrain from attempting to upgrade Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. We have exhausted the topic and decided it's inconsistent with the franchise's overall showing of power and thus it is now typically viewed as an outlier. Also, it was similarly decided that Kaguya should not be granted planet level attack potency for her casual attacks, as the only scene where this rating would be warranted is strife with PIS and a lack of feats, thus forcing us to rate her at this level only via the Expansive Truth-Seeker Ball. Insistence of this will be unappreciated. Also, although at least one of her pocket realms was confirmed to contain a star, the relative size of it was deemed questionable, and it was discarded as a result.
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Hmm.. I seem to remeber you being against discussion rules and yet you bring it up here. Not to mention this is a new novel we have never discussed before.
 
That discussion rule is only for the ESB and the size of her dimensions. It's basically saying to to make any upgrades for Momoshiki if you are using scaling from Kaguya who we don't accept as Star level. You already know this is a whole different situation
 
That rule has no effect on this thread tho since it's not going against the rules of upgrading Momo from Kaguya
 
Frantzy12 said:
*Please refrain from attempting to upgrade Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. We have exhausted the topic and decided it's inconsistent with the franchise's overall showing of power and thus it is now typically viewed as an outlier. Also, it was similarly decided that Kaguya should not be granted planet level attack potency for her casual attacks, as the only scene where this rating would be warranted is strife with PIS and a lack of feats, thus forcing us to rate her at this level only via the Expansive Truth-Seeker Ball. Insistence of this will be unappreciated. Also, although at least one of her pocket realms was confirmed to contain a star, the relative size of it was deemed questionable, and it was discarded as a result.
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Someone should message a staff member to remove or change that to Large Planet or Star Level.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Tho one thing.
IF this is even remotely acceptable for Momoshiki, like at all, then Kaguya's ETSB feat probably wouldnt be an outlier anymore.
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I mean at some point the ETSB( on its own) being star level was going to be accepted then the thread was closed.
 
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