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9-B Brackets: Round 3 (For realsies this time)

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Gonna skip ahead a bit in the brackets while I rework it.

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Third Round of the 9-B Brackets begins! Our contestants for this round are Killua Zoldyck, and Amanogawa Kouki. Click here to see current standings.

Base Form (Before Mastering Nen) Killua and Normal Kouki. Speed is equalized. I may edit these rules if there is a stomp.

Kouki - 7 (Wok, Gargoyle, CP, Velox, Dragon, Overlord, TheOwn)

Killua - 2 (Mand, Apies)

Incon -

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How good is the precog of the left?
 
If it's good for combat, I'd go for him off due to precog. Killua isn't exactly haxxed.
 
Kouki should probably take this due to precog and versality like gravity manipulation, holy manipulation etc, plus he can heal himself, not sure if limit break is allowed, if so he could get 3x faster and stronger.
 
Precog>instinctive reaction, killua's body can react for him but kouki would know how exactly it would react, and what killa's moves would be.
 
Speed doesn't have to be equalized since Amanogawa Kouki is a little slower than Killua at base, but can get close to blitzing with his stats amping.

That being said, my boy Killua is an assassin with claws who is used to one-shooting low-end 9-Bs. Even if Amanogawa has a greater attack potency and defense, he should probably be defenseless at the beginning (unless Physical Perception is completely passive), allowing Killua to cause him great damage or even OHK by attacking large veins or arterial vessels.

While Kouki has average intelligence, Killua has the stealth mastery and gifted intellect which will allow him to strike first with a plan. He takes this one decisively, even though his opponent may as well be sufficiently stronger as to cause him serious damage should he get a single hit in.
 
Kouki's is skilled in combat despite his average intelligence, he has been learning kendo since he was young, then upon going to another world learned more sword arts from the best teachers in the country.

Killua doesn't really have an answer to his precog. Pretty sure if i remember correctly physical perception is always on, kouki will go for soaring flash or heaven's might, which if it hits killua will weaken him while kouki gets stronger.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
Kouki's is skilled in combat despite his average intelligence, he has been learning kendo since he was young, then upon going to another world learned more sword arts from the best teachers in the country.
Killua doesn't really have an answer to his precog. Pretty sure if i remember correctly physical perception is always on, kouki will go for soaring flash or heaven's might, which if it hits killua will weaken him while kouki gets stronger.
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The precog is limited, not "Sharingan level+". It should only foresee attacks up to a certain point, and may even require having recognized the opponent first. A stealth attack will pretty surely surprise him and make it difficult to react, if possible at all.

Did his 9-B key already learn from all these masters? Anyways, it's not like Killua is bad at all at dodging: he has shown to be able to utterly toy around with people faster and stronger than him, more so with strategy than skills, and he is at least just as skilled, possibly more so than Kouki, given him being the one with most potential from a family of extremely elite assassins.

Plus, his stamina is likely higher, since he can train for hours. and his lifting strength being higher allows for better use of the environment as a weapon (If he lifts a 16 tons rock and throws it at Kouki at half the speed of sound, what is dude gonna do?).
 
Kouki will still sense killua coming, so precog is pretty useful.

Yes his 9-B key learned from those masters.

If limit break and supreme are allowed then, it's only a matter of time until kouki uses it, in which case he blitzes and ap stomps killua.
 
If these get to count as invalid and speed isn't equalized like I said it doesn't have to (Kouki is high-end subsonic), then Killua is the one with advantage, and he's able to, through both skill and speed (which I insist are higher than Kouki's) be able to avoid all of his attacks and bypass precog by overwhelming him (with efficient methods and strategy).

While Killua is not haxxed, he's sure pretty capable of dealing with stronger and more versatile opponents. His stealth mastery is superior and Illusion Creation may incapacitate precog, I am to add.
 
I don't see why illusion creation would mess with precog. Kouki sees him make illusions, and still sees the future actions of those illusions and Killua. Even limited precog allows for easy attack evasion, and this guy can apparently just power up drastically anyways.
 
Wokistan said:
I don't see why illusion creation would mess with precog. Kouki sees him make illusions, and still sees the future actions of those illusions and Killua. Even limited precog allows for easy attack evasion, and this guy can apparently just power up drastically anyways.
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Limited precog will make him not know which is the real one, and it can be impossible to dodge them all. It's in character for Killua to start off with that after the opponent knows about his presence.

His powering up depends on skills which aren't certain to have been allowed, and Killua has a lot of experience dealing with opponents that outclass him everywhere but intellect.
 
If it results in a stomp, I'll clarify that it's not allowed. For now it seems like it's something that won't happen immediately, giving Killua a frame of time to attack/kill his enemy.
 
Why would he not know what's real if his precog would show Killua creating dupes? Also, why can't he just keep tracking the one that clearly didn't materialize out of nowhere?
 
Wokistan said:
Why would he not know what's real if his precog would show Killua creating dupes? Also, why can't he just keep tracking the one that clearly didn't materialize out of nowhere?
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Because this was shown not to work in the anime itself. You can look at his clones vs Bomber in the greed island arc, try to follow which one is the real one, the bomber attacks it first, and... fooled, takes a hit. Same here, except Killua used his claws a lot more before he learned Nen.
 
Got a video link? Also, this doesn't factor in precog telling him when he's about to be attacked, and illusions can't really damage him at all, so the whole advantage of that is kinda negated.
 
Wokistan said:
Got a video link? Also, this doesn't factor in precog telling him when he's about to be attacked, and illusions can't really damage him at all, so the whole advantage of that is kinda negated.
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...do you really think that makes it useless? He can make all clones attack for lethal/critical damage at once and what in the world is Kouki gonna do, cry?

Gonna search for the video
 
Illusions generally can't deal damage. His profile doesn't say duplication or otherwise imply that these clones are corporeal.
 
If someone can see attacks coming ahead of time and where they're going to hit, the number of potential attackers doesn't seem like the biggest issue for that ability.
 
Wokistan said:
If someone can see attacks coming ahead of time and where they're going to hit, the number of potential attackers doesn't seem like the biggest issue for that ability.
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That really seems to ignore how overwhelming it is to be attacked from many directions at once to the point where avoiding all is impossible, and the fact that Kouki's precog is limited and thus may not allow him to keep track of so many (up to dozens of) clones is a big deal. Just admit it: Killua can pretty much strike free hits very often with this, and it's not like that's his only trick. His insane stamina will prevent him from getting one-shot even though his durability is several times lower. He is extremely proficient at evading and a very fast thinker used to deal with other fast thinkers, foresee people's patterns and detect them.

It might as well end up so that the one who doesn't have much of an answer to Killua's foresight, analysis and flaws-punishing will be Kouki. Overwhelmed by his intellect, out-maneuvered by his skill.

EDIT: Can I add the fact that Killua was, on the link I gave you, fighting an enemy that was invulnerable to his average blows and could only be hurt because he used electricity to bypass his durability and heavy yo-yos to boost his strength? And that fight resulted in his opponent getting shat on. Same here, why not? Claws and all.
 
What exactly stops kouki from nuking the area? And no idea why you are saying kouki's precog is limited, it's just normal precog which allows him to predict ppl's movements, when hajime gave a foresight stone which has foresight, kouki's same ability, to tio's dragons they were able to see all the attacks the opposing dragons used on them and dodge them.

And if he is being overwhelmed he will go for limit break which allows him to blitz, and he can heal any fatal injuries that he gets.
 
He can do stuff like this: "ÒÇîMyriad of Soaring Wings, Reach the Heavens, "Soaring Flash"ÒÇì ÒÇîAh, idiot!ÒÇì Ignoring Commander Meld's voice, Kouki brandished his sword overhead and swung it down in a single motion. His chant had made the sword emit an intense light, and the slash released it. Drawing a curve, the light bisected the Rockmount without any resistance. The blade of light continued on until it destroyed the back wall."

"An aurora gushed from the "Holy Sword" after he completed his chant. The skill was similar to "Soaring Flash," but its power was on a completely different level. It gouged out parts of the bridge as it shot toward the Behemoth, shaking the bridge with its might. After the chant, Ryuutarou and Shizuku had already cleared away; however, after fighting the Behemoth, they were in tatters; they had suffered a considerable amount of damage in a short period of time. The bombardment of light hit the Behemoth directly. Light filled the area where the spell hit the demon. An earthquake resounded along the bridge as cracks appeared all over."

"Like that, what he launched was hundreds of slashes scattered in a wide range. Just the visible blades of light had been already in a hundred, and nearly three hundred blades of wind were following, lurking at the shadow. The attack was already at a level of obliteration magic."
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
What exactly stops kouki from nuking the area? And no idea why you are saying kouki's precog is limited, it's just normal precog which allows him to predict ppl's movements, when hajime gave a foresight stone which has foresight, kouki's same ability, to tio's dragons they were able to see all the attacks the opposing dragons used on them and dodge them.
And if he is being overwhelmed he will go for limit break which allows him to blitz, and he can heal any fatal injuries that he gets.
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He does not blitz just by turning to Limit Break. He is notably slower than Killua without it and merely notably faster than him with it. Not enough to warrant a blitz, and Killua is good at foretelling patterns to deal with that.

What do you even mean with nuking the area? They have 9-B attack potency. Not to mention he won't be overwhelmed for long against an assassin: if he misjudges when to use it, he dies. Also, how long does Limit Break last? Because if it drains stamina fast and Killua isn't overwhelmed enough by it to be unable to combine his skills and analysis to dodge, then the assassin kid can still toy with him until he falls down. Not to mention Killua's stamina is higher anyways.

Also, how many dragons versus how many dragons? There's a difference between getting a decisive win and easy dodge amidst a war because you can deal with everyone who's shooting you and being ambushed by an army. Not to mention everybody who sees the clones instinctively tries to guess the real one, and failure, which is common, means Killua strikes a free hit which might as well be critical.
 
Subsonic+ compared to potentially supersonic+ is a pretty substantial difference if you ask me.

Kouki can just heal himself from any potential injuries.

Limit break typically lasts 8 minutes.

"Freed's monsters simultaneously attacked the armed black dragons. Their number was still more than ten times more. Specs-wise they were roughly equal. Therefore, it should be expected that the black dragons would be overwhelmed by the enemy's numbers.

However, that expectation would soon be betrayed in the truest sense.

First, as if to say the skies belong to them, the ash dragons simultaneously unleashed a series of breaths expressing their anger. Countless traces of light shone through the air. Totaling more than three times the numbers of black dragons, the series of breaths looked like a wall to them.

However, against the multitude of attacks which were expected to become direct hits, the black dragons performed evasive maneuvers that looked like barrel-rolls and successfully dodged the series of attacks, a little like someone finding gaps and weaving his way through a crowd.

These moves seemed like the movements of Shia, who knew the safety zones, made just before.

The origin was the helmet the black dragons were wearing.

This helmet covered the entirety of the head, until the tip of the nose, and had a Foresight ability"

100 dragons vs 1000 dragons, but each of the 1000 dragons used 3 breath attacks so more like 3000 vs 100, and their attacks still got dodged.
 
Will ask: In-character, how soon would Kouki use his limit break?


On another note, good lord is Kouki's render bad. I made a new one, and will replace the one on his profile.
 
I'm voting Killua for inteligence and technique. He's way smarter and will immediatly go in for the kill. Depending on the scenario, he could easily put Kouki off gaurd.
 
@Dargoo If he is surrounded by duplicates he will go for it immediatly cause limit break in his mind is a technique to overcome situations, and being overwhelmed by numerous enemies is one such situation.

Well it's the only pic of kouki there is.

@Apies Killua still has no answer to kouki's precog, seriously he dodges everything killua throws at him, and proceeds to blast him, while making killua weaker while he gets stronger.

Also did you see what i posted above? He can unleash hundreds of attacks instantly, let me post it again:

"Like that, what he launched was hundreds of slashes scattered in a wide range. Just the visible blades of light had been already in a hundred, and nearly three hundred blades of wind were following, lurking at the shadow. The attack was already at a level of obliteration magic"
 
I actually forgot to ask that. What is the nature of Kouki's precog? Is it him literally seeing the future, or is information being forming in his brain about whats going to happen?
 
Foresight: Allows him to be able to predict the next move of his opponent to a certain extent.
 
It's not seeing the future, that's something Shia Haulia does, his isn't to that level, it's more so that he can predict his opponents movements, shia's allows her to see what attacks will be seconds in the future, kouki's just allows him to predict his opponents movements, predict their attacks trajectory and whatnot.
 
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