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Well, this is an issue that has been stirring around for quite some time, so it is best to go ahead and let the metaphorical cat out of the bag.
2-C is weird. Weirder than all the other Tiers on the Wiki (bar 1-A but that's another post) when it comes to the standards for obtaining this tier. As it currently stands, 2-C, or Low Multiverse level, requires a character to demonstrate enough power to destroy two full universal space-time continuums. But, a big stipulation of this is that obtaining this Tier from multipliers, math, or logic is impossible. One must demonstrate the ability to destroy two universes in one shot or else they are not awarded this tier, no matter how strong they are when compared to Low 2-C.
And herein lies our problem. Low 2-C is the complete destruction of a space-time continuum. 2-C is two. But it is impossible to obtain 2-C from Low 2-C via a multiplier unless the multiplier is literally infinity. If the multiplier is infinity, however, the character in question is not 2-C, but instead 2-A, since their power must be infinitely 4-D. Despite this, even if a character is capable of producing power millions of times over Low 2-C they are not awarded 2-B or even 2-C, as there is no mathematical cap of Low 2-C, save infinity. For some reason.
But when we try to approach this mathematically with certain characters, we see this odd standard break apart. Beerus and Champa together are able to obliterate two universal space-time continuums when either one alone cannot. By our standards, if you try to divide 2-C in half, they should still be 2-C, since there is no multiplier, save infinity, that gets you out of Low 2-C. But they aren't; they are Low 2-C since they are unable to achieve 2-C by themselves. But if you did divide a 2-C feat, what could it be? You clearly can't just endlessly divide down 2-C, as if you divided it by the largest possible finite number, or a transfinite number, 2-C would remain 2-C. Yet the clash of two Low 2-Cs, regardless of how powerful, should never be able to achieve 2-C, as the power increase would need to be literally infinite to get out of Low 2-C, and then they bypass 2-C entirely and jump to 2-A, as mentioned before. So either Beerus and Champa (and any character that gets into 2-C with help but not alone) are 2-C, despite having zero showings and being unable to do be 2-C alone, are obscenely high into Low 2-C (transfinite/largest finite number, which still doesn't work mathematically), or are baseline Low 2-C. The latter makes sense, but only if the odd standard of our current 2-C is removed. As it stands, there is no logical progression for such a feat or any characters in this area.
The division, multiplication, addition, or subtraction of anything from Low 2-C and 2-C could not cause these tiers to segway into one another, despite the fact that Low 2-C is essentially "1" and 2-C is "2". This is especially odd, since being 501 times over baseline 2-C is 2-B (2x501 = 1002, 1001+ = 2-B) and being infinitely over 2-C is 2-A. Both of these thresholds are met by appropriate multipliers, and 2-A is met by its infinite multiplier no matter what, yet 2-C is met by no multiplier because reasons. So, what is the actual reason that we bar any multiplier from letting a Low 2-C become 2-C?
5-D space. According to our current standards, in order to destroy more than one universal space-time continuum, your attack must being able to break through and cross 5-D space. Yes, getting to 2-C takes 5-D power, despite 5-D power being High 2-A. And it does not matter that the 5-D space is "infinity small", as it is still 5-D and being able to bypass it cannot be done with 4-D power. I cannot throw something into the 4th dimension, even with infinite power (in fact, it only goes SoL). While it may make sense that an attack must pass into 5-D space to get to the next universe, it would also be infinitely above 2-A by our standards. This doesn't make sense whatsoever, and makes a pretty clean Tier 2 into a logical clusterscrew that doesn't really work with logical and progression.
TLDR: Going from Low 2-C to 2-C in our current standards doesn't make logical sense and breaks the progression present in all other non-higher dimensional tiers. Just let Tier 2 behave like all others without the 5-D blockade we currently use.
2-C is weird. Weirder than all the other Tiers on the Wiki (bar 1-A but that's another post) when it comes to the standards for obtaining this tier. As it currently stands, 2-C, or Low Multiverse level, requires a character to demonstrate enough power to destroy two full universal space-time continuums. But, a big stipulation of this is that obtaining this Tier from multipliers, math, or logic is impossible. One must demonstrate the ability to destroy two universes in one shot or else they are not awarded this tier, no matter how strong they are when compared to Low 2-C.
And herein lies our problem. Low 2-C is the complete destruction of a space-time continuum. 2-C is two. But it is impossible to obtain 2-C from Low 2-C via a multiplier unless the multiplier is literally infinity. If the multiplier is infinity, however, the character in question is not 2-C, but instead 2-A, since their power must be infinitely 4-D. Despite this, even if a character is capable of producing power millions of times over Low 2-C they are not awarded 2-B or even 2-C, as there is no mathematical cap of Low 2-C, save infinity. For some reason.
But when we try to approach this mathematically with certain characters, we see this odd standard break apart. Beerus and Champa together are able to obliterate two universal space-time continuums when either one alone cannot. By our standards, if you try to divide 2-C in half, they should still be 2-C, since there is no multiplier, save infinity, that gets you out of Low 2-C. But they aren't; they are Low 2-C since they are unable to achieve 2-C by themselves. But if you did divide a 2-C feat, what could it be? You clearly can't just endlessly divide down 2-C, as if you divided it by the largest possible finite number, or a transfinite number, 2-C would remain 2-C. Yet the clash of two Low 2-Cs, regardless of how powerful, should never be able to achieve 2-C, as the power increase would need to be literally infinite to get out of Low 2-C, and then they bypass 2-C entirely and jump to 2-A, as mentioned before. So either Beerus and Champa (and any character that gets into 2-C with help but not alone) are 2-C, despite having zero showings and being unable to do be 2-C alone, are obscenely high into Low 2-C (transfinite/largest finite number, which still doesn't work mathematically), or are baseline Low 2-C. The latter makes sense, but only if the odd standard of our current 2-C is removed. As it stands, there is no logical progression for such a feat or any characters in this area.
The division, multiplication, addition, or subtraction of anything from Low 2-C and 2-C could not cause these tiers to segway into one another, despite the fact that Low 2-C is essentially "1" and 2-C is "2". This is especially odd, since being 501 times over baseline 2-C is 2-B (2x501 = 1002, 1001+ = 2-B) and being infinitely over 2-C is 2-A. Both of these thresholds are met by appropriate multipliers, and 2-A is met by its infinite multiplier no matter what, yet 2-C is met by no multiplier because reasons. So, what is the actual reason that we bar any multiplier from letting a Low 2-C become 2-C?
5-D space. According to our current standards, in order to destroy more than one universal space-time continuum, your attack must being able to break through and cross 5-D space. Yes, getting to 2-C takes 5-D power, despite 5-D power being High 2-A. And it does not matter that the 5-D space is "infinity small", as it is still 5-D and being able to bypass it cannot be done with 4-D power. I cannot throw something into the 4th dimension, even with infinite power (in fact, it only goes SoL). While it may make sense that an attack must pass into 5-D space to get to the next universe, it would also be infinitely above 2-A by our standards. This doesn't make sense whatsoever, and makes a pretty clean Tier 2 into a logical clusterscrew that doesn't really work with logical and progression.
TLDR: Going from Low 2-C to 2-C in our current standards doesn't make logical sense and breaks the progression present in all other non-higher dimensional tiers. Just let Tier 2 behave like all others without the 5-D blockade we currently use.