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Cthulhu (Cthulhu Saves the World) revisions.

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Discussed in Dialga vs. Cthulhu.

Cthulhu's 2-B lowball seems wrong.

He defeated Azathoth who would've collapsed reality in every single world. Which there are an infinite number of universes within each Multiverse.

Since there are infinite, that qualifies for 2-A.

TL;DR: Remove Cthulhu's 2-B lowball.
 
Being honest, even if we ignore the Mythos inspiration entirely (which we probably should for a serious profile), CStW Cthulhu is probably a minimum of High 2-A.

He defeats Azathoth, who resides "beyond Angled Space", which going by Mythos terminology from the Hounds of Tindalos, would imply he existed entirely beyond 4-D space-time an entire level of infinity up.

Later, Cthulhu's Angels (who aren't as strong as Cthulhu) defeat the Narrator, a being who should be somewhat comparable to Azathoth and viewed the entire story as fiction he could have changed "with a phrase".
 
It's definitely a possibility.

The problem with accurately tiering CStW is that it's actually just a giant meme where things often are intentionally ridiculous. This is a game with a Charlie's Angels parody added on in which you beat the shit out of the guy telling the story.

Though that's why I put the "At least" before "High 2-A", which would likely be followed by a "likely higher" regardless of outcome.
 
Cthulhu is gonna lose his 2-A key?

Shoot, I had some ideas for that.
 
When I planned on making this profile, I asked Azzy what "beyond angled space" referred to in the original mythos, and he said it referred to beyond dimensional space, so I always planned on having 1-A Cthulhu be his final tier.

So if we want to say "at least High 2-A, likely 1-A", I'm fine with that.
 
To be honest though I don't think it's too unreasonable to have this Cthulhu at 1-A if he defeated Azathoth who resided "beyond angled space" (this in the mythology the game is inspired by meaning 1-A). But it's whichever everyone else agrees upon.
 
No he wouldn't he killed Azathoth, he's Tier -1

But seriously, he killed another 1-A. He's already not weaker than the Crimson King's 1-A
 
So when did we start using anything from an original source material when it comes to something completely unrelated? Kingdom Hearts and Smash Bros have things to say about this.
 
Cthulhu Saves the World is an affectionate parody of everything Lovecraft related and possesses numerous references to Lovecraft's works, world, characters, etc.

"Beyond Angled Space" is an obvious reference to Lovecraft's cosmology about angles and higher dimensions and voids beyond all angles.
 
Yet it's not Lovecraft. Death of the Author + well...feats matter. Super Mario Bros Z isnt tier 4 due to being an affectionate parody of many tier 4 series (Mario Bros, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Dragon Ball Z) for example, even though both, Power Stars and Chaos Emeralds are in it.
 
Unless it's described as 1-A in that, it's not. It's High 2-A. Idk why were making an exception here. No offense to anyone.
 
Also your example is terrible. SSBZ is a fanfic crossover. Cthulhu Saves the World is Lovecraft only and the references to the original work are far, far, far more in your face.

To give you a comparison, the Nathaniel Cade: The President's Vampire series has numerous direct, in-your-face references to other works of fiction having happened in it, including Lovecraft stories such as:

As well as other horror stories such as:

etc.

Obviously a lot of this is near Copyright Infringment, but it is honestly just inaccurate and obtuse to act as if at least At the Mountains of Madness, the Dunwich Horror, and the Horror at Red Hook didn't all literally happen in the Nathaniel Cade universe.

Likewise, refusing Angled / Dimensional space being infinite-dimensional in Cthulhu Saves the World is laughable. You are basically going: "Yes, this is a game based on the writings of H.P. Lovecraft, with the characters of H.P. Lovecraft, with extensive references, parodies and in-jokes that only a hardcore fan of Lovecraft would get, and which here is making a clear-as-day reference to Lovecraft's cosmology of infinite-dimensional angled space... Cannot be infinite-dimensional because I say so."
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Likewise, refusing Angled / Dimensional space being infinite-dimensional in Cthulhu Saves the World is laughable. You are basically going: "Yes, this is a game based on the writings of H.P. Lovecraft, with the characters of H.P. Lovecraft, with extensive references, parodies and in-jokes that only a hardcore fan of Lovecraft would get, and which here is making a clear-as-day reference to Lovecraft's cosmology of infinite-dimensional angled space... Cannot be infinite-dimensional because I say so."
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Well, more "because it isn't the original works"

But I still agree with Matt
 
For clarification, depending on the situation, "beyond angled space" could refer to "beyond the idea of 4-D angled space-time" (which is also inherently "superior" to 4-D curved space-time, hence the High 2-A low-end), to "beyond an infinite number of dimensions". It's extremely vague.
 
I don't see why Azathoth and the void that he presides within would only be beyond the parts of angled space that are 4-D instead of the entire cosmology/the highest degree of what this phrase refers to within the original mythos.
 
And? If angled space within the original mythos refers to 5 to beyond infinite dimensions, why would they only mean 5 dimensions when talking about Azathoth and the void he resides in?
 
@Ryu

Angled space in the Hounds of Tindalos: At least five dimensions (there is at least one dimension above the 4-D reality we know, as space-time is just an imperfect representation of it), probably more, plus a separate "set" of dimensions inherently superior/more "dangerous" to the ones we know.

The Hounds of Tindalos does not say "angled space contains infinite dimensions", hence the High 2-A low-end. Infinite spatial dimensions and undimensioned reality beyond that comes from stuff such as Through the Gates of the Silver Key.
 
So "beyond angled space" is never meant to refer to dimensionless or undimensioned anywhere in the mythos?
 
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