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Regarding Time Slow vs Time Stop

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So this is something that needs to be discussed. There seems to be some confusion on whether resisting Time Stop means you can resist Time Slow. This is causing an issue here.

So the question I ask is whether being resistant to Time Stop automatically mean you resist Time Slow.
 
Isnt time slow just worse time stop? Like comparing absolute zero to -200 degrees C. If you can resist the worst of the two resisting time slow will be easy.
 
Well like I said, there are times when some would say the opposite. So here we will settle this.
 
I say it depends on the mechanics. Like I cant say for sure that resisting the normal time stop means you can resist Esdeath's Trump card.
 
The abilities are usually kept separate though, even in video games.

The Time Slow status is different from the Time Stop status. Even if it may be "logical" to conflate the two, I'm still not totally sold on the idea that resistance to Stop would give you resistance to Slow.
 
It does, as one ability is literally just an inferior version of the other. Use it for any other ability. Someone immune to plank temperature is going to be immune to pretty much any fire.

Take Dialga, the being of time. He can easily move in time stop and time reversal, but hasn't shown time slow. Why would something inferior to either of those affect him?
 
As Cal, Saikou and many said

If you resist a very deadly lethal poison, you're not gonna die to a lesser version of that poison

If you resist Absolute Zero, you're not gonna take extra damage from cole attacks

Time stop works on the fact that it turns something to 0 no matter what. Pretty much gives you infinite speed. Time slow works on the fact that it slows you down, massive reduction via 9999999999999% loss in speed, but it will never quite reach 0 no matter what. It might seem like it but it would.

So all in all... If you resist time stop, you resist time slow. There are exceptions in some verses but that's what they are. Exceptions.

It's simple Math. Or logic. Take your pick.
 
The real cal howard said:
Take Dialga, the being of time. He can easily move in time stop and time reversal, but hasn't shown time slow. Why would something inferior to either of those affect him?
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Not the best example as he is literally TIME ITSELF.....
 
@Cal

I mean, Dialga is the embodiment of time, so I'm not sure that's the best example.
 
Resisting time-stop = being immune to time-slow.

We've discussed this, like, 5 times before, and nobody ever managed to reply back once I put forth the blizzard/absolute zero analogy.
 
Resisting time stop is not the same as resisting time slow.

resisting stopping progression =/= resisting slowing progression.

Now if it was time stop via slowing it down to zero time, that would be another thing. But most time stop just acts like time stopping.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Resisting time-stop absolutely makes you immune to time-slow.
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This.

The other alternative will sound like "You can resist absolute zero but you can't resist 0 degree Celcius" or "You can survive a nuke blowing on your head but you can't survive at the surface of the sun because of heat."
 
@Kep

It really should be clarified on time manipulation page or something.... I can understand doubts but yeah.

@Rocker

That's another.

Turning your speed into infinity will always be infinitely better than any attempt to turn yourself into a really fast value of MFTL+++++++ no matter how fast or how many +s you have
 
No matter how much you slow down time, it will never be anything comparable to time-stop.

In fact, a 1,000,000x time slow is as close to time-stop as a 2x time slow is.
 
Math analogy time:

Time slow is the limit approaching a number. Time stop is the asymptote at that number. Why would the limited option work on something able to operate on the asymptote?
 
I think if you can resist No time Progression at all it only makes sense that you can resist Slower Time Progression.

So in my Opinion:

Time-Stop Resistance = Time-Slow Resistance

Time-Slow Resistance =/= Time-Stop Resistance
 
Heilergott said:
I think if you can resist No time Progression at all it only makes sense that you can resist Slower Time Progression.
So in my Opinion:

Time-Stop Resistance = Time-Slow Resistance

Time-Slow Resistance =/= Time-Stop Resistance
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My thoughts exactly.
 
@Cal

Not all of us are math majors, so using mathematical jargon is only going to confuse people who haven't taken Calculus yet.

@Kep

Even if it's "logical", fiction still treats them as separate in media like Video Games. Having resistance to one does not guarantee resistance to the others.
 
But yeah of course there are exceptions to this rule, but just because there are exceptions doesn't mean we have to implement said exception on every existing verse. Even if it's weird to imagine, I feel like those exceptions can still be valid. Or maybe that plays more into verse equalization.
 
The entire argument goes seven feet under when you realize that, in order to go through speed-based time-stop, you need infinite speed. Depending on the type of time-slow, you can resist it via speed alone. A non-infinite speed.

We know that it's impossible to reach infinity via a linear multiplication. 1 is as close to infinity as 10,000,000,000,000.

So, resisting time-stop already puts you infinitely above time-slow.
 
The real cal howard said:
Math analogy time:
Time slow is the limit approaching a number. Time stop is the asymptote at that number. Why would the limited option work on something able to operate on the asymptote?
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Dude...just talk like a normal person and use terms people will understand....
 
It depends on the level,

1. nullifying change as a concept itself like (Ren), even when it doesnt even factually exist.

2. Or simply how fast all of existence accelerates towards infinity.

i say resisting time-stop is a much better feat overall.
 
@Reppuzan actually that's no different from a high school course. The asymptotes, the limits, the slope of the graph that never reaches and etc.

It's the same as saying it's impossible to count to infinity.
 
The real cal howard said:
Math analogy time:
Time slow is the limit approaching a number. Time stop is the asymptote at that number. Why would the limited option work on something able to operate on the asymptote?
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Cal got it perfectly. it will never reach infinity which is what time stop is.
 
@Core

I know that. I took Calculus in high school.

But not everyone here has taken that course. We have to avoid confusing each other in order to have productive discussion.
 
A blizzard is also different from absolute-zero.

Does that mean that resisting absolute zero doesn't make you able to resist the side-effects of a blizzard?

The automatic answer is no.

We should operate under logic here, not "fiction doesn't care so we shouldn't either", as Matt once said.
 
imho time low i jut a weaker time top. It' like ying that omething that urvive plank' temperature it can't tank the un. And ye, broken keyboard.
 
@Kep

You still have to take into account the mechanics of the verse.

We're a fiction-indexing site, so we have to take into account whatever the verse thinks except when the authors make it clear that they have no sense of scale or math.

I don't think we can do this broadly. Perhaps on a case-by-case basis, but there's still cases in fiction when those who are immune to Time Stop can be affected by Time Slows.
 
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