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Regarding Time Slow vs Time Stop
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@RR Not really. Appeal to popularity is when you say "X is true because it's more popular than y.", while in this case there are actual reasons that may be logically considered for both sides, so we have to eventually decide based on voting and ammount of support and opposition as otherwise this kind of discussion may never be settled at times.
At least, this is what I understand of the system, myself.
At least, this is what I understand of the system, myself.
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@Sera
How is it time-stop if people still move?
How is it time-stop if people still move?
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Would not the smartest thing to do just be:
Time-Stop Resistance equals Time-Slow Resistance until proven otherwise?
I mean, we are going in circles here, we have to come to a conclusion sometime.
Time-Stop Resistance equals Time-Slow Resistance until proven otherwise?
I mean, we are going in circles here, we have to come to a conclusion sometime.
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/\ What Kep and Heiler said. Occam's razor at its finest.
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What?
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I dint appreciate my comment I made earlier being removed without reason. So can some one explain that?
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It wa "deleted"FateAlbane said:
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Depends on the type of time stop. Stopping time but people can still move normally is insignificant to a combat applicable time slow that actually slows you and/or your surroundings down.
Well, those things are discussed in vsthreads, not every reality warper has combat applicable RW, you know.
Well, those things are discussed in vsthreads, not every reality warper has combat applicable RW, you know.
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Localized Time Stop exists.
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Well, Time never brings things into nothing.....but into what is yet to be.
One can nullify all change, leaving all objects solitary and absent of subjective presence, with only one essence left within infinity. But that is, not at all the basis for 1-A's.
Infinity is a mathematical concept, pressing the off button to a specific localized space does not equal to actually removing the very presence of this button.
If you can stop time, someone ca also make it start. 1-A's can easly erase the trace of these mechanics, and adding entierly new one's. On a conceptual level.
Regardless, this time stop>time slow should not be a general rule.
One can nullify all change, leaving all objects solitary and absent of subjective presence, with only one essence left within infinity. But that is, not at all the basis for 1-A's.
Infinity is a mathematical concept, pressing the off button to a specific localized space does not equal to actually removing the very presence of this button.
If you can stop time, someone ca also make it start. 1-A's can easly erase the trace of these mechanics, and adding entierly new one's. On a conceptual level.
Regardless, this time stop>time slow should not be a general rule.
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I gue that my mind i blown
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... Wait, is this for real?
Time stop-resisting people being affected by time slow?
Wha?
I mean, I guess fiction's pretty strange, with people resisting time stops and not resisting time slows, but that's case by case analysis, and even then, I can think a lot of different explanations. The only case I could see a argument was a "room-wide" time stop against a universal time slow, and even then it can be debated for both sides.
Time stop-resisting people being affected by time slow?
Wha?
I mean, I guess fiction's pretty strange, with people resisting time stops and not resisting time slows, but that's case by case analysis, and even then, I can think a lot of different explanations. The only case I could see a argument was a "room-wide" time stop against a universal time slow, and even then it can be debated for both sides.
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Shouldn't it be the opposite? @PaChi, generally I don't think fiction has even showed people resistant to time stop resisting time slow, unless you have an example?
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Time stop is a greater form of time slow, so if you're resistant to time stop, you would be resistant to time slow. That was the entire discussion of this thread.SomebodyData said:
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Well yeah, but I don't think fiction has ever depicted it that way. Even in the other thread, it was shown otherwise.
I'm fine with whatever is decided, but I feel like it just needs to be pointed out.
I'm fine with whatever is decided, but I feel like it just needs to be pointed out.
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Ihope that it in't BoP to ak you evidence outide ff
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There is a difference between a direct contradiction and not appearing to be something.
Like I said, I'm fine with whatever is decided, just that I felt to point out that fiction doesn't tend to work that way,
Like I said, I'm fine with whatever is decided, just that I felt to point out that fiction doesn't tend to work that way,
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That defeats the point of this thread. Pretty much everyone agreed with doing that.
Also, I agree with Pachi's suggestion.
Also, I agree with Pachi's suggestion.
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Alright then, I think your wording is fine Pachi.
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You should put it in the rules ovo.
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Basically, the main argument here seems to be "fiction usually treat them differently". That's bad in itself. Fiction usually have PIS. Fiction usually have the writers, directors or whatever not doing research (And sometimes they do and still do that for entertainment sake). Fiction usually has CIS. I can go on.
Logic should dictate the course of action, unless specifically stated otherwise, not the inverse.
Logic should dictate the course of action, unless specifically stated otherwise, not the inverse.
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@Reppu
Logic is different from realism. Supposing he has superhuman durability, which he frequently shows to have, it would still make sense.
Suspension of disbelief is one thing. Complete disregard for logic is another.
Logic is different from realism. Supposing he has superhuman durability, which he frequently shows to have, it would still make sense.
Suspension of disbelief is one thing. Complete disregard for logic is another.
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Flash has a power called speedforce, which allows him to do that kind of stuff.
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Also, Rep, you're confusing logic with physics.
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@Rep This is wrong, This isn't a Necessary Truth and therefore is not something logically necessary for all worlds. So this would only make sense if it really happened in the franchise and does not occur, then we can not prove that something is True Contingent to this franchise.
There is a big difference between something simply being real to our world (ie a True Proposition) and something being a Necessary Truth.
There is a big difference between something simply being real to our world (ie a True Proposition) and something being a Necessary Truth.
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