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Zeref Vs Tatsumaki

VersusJunkie54

VersusJunkie54

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Both are in their At least High 6-C forms.

Standard Battle asumptions.

Speed equalized.

Both are in character. Victory by death, BFR ,or KO

Who wins and why?

Zeref: 11 WilliamShadow, GalaxianAegis ,DemonGodMitchAubin, Meosos, Czucuzian11, CoreOfimBalance ,Blazenite106,101bijou, Captain Torch, Homu Sweet Homu, Gargoyle One

Tatsumaki:7 Knightofannihiliation666, ShrekAlmighty, Kullchigo, TheManJRequiem, ScarletMoon1111 Theglassman12, AquaWaifu.

Inconclusive:1 Dragonmasterxyz
 
Zeref has teleportation, that's not really going to be effective.

I also don't think Tatsumaki can kill him with raw force, especially because he has his reset.
 
Exactly. Zeref has never shown such range with his Teleportation IIRC. Seems pretty absurd to think that he'd be capable of doing so when he hasn't been shown to teleport that part.
 
Zeref can use telekinesis as well so i doubt he doesn't know how to deal with it.

His teleportaion as well might have an unknown range, but he has casually dissapeard from Tartarus and he could teleport behind her before she tries to throw him into space as well.

Like seriously Tatsumaki uses telekinesis on him and he does the same on her and can trap her in a magical bubble.

If base Zeref can stop time than Zeref who fully controls time can do it as well.

Zeref can as well use his death magic to protect from her telekinesis as a shield and can use death magic to bind her, stopping her from moving like he did with Natsu who needed dragon force and his power nullification to realease himself from that.

Also, someone with 400 years of experience(with a ridiculous amount of spells created by him) who is able to use telekinesis as well and has ton of persons in his verse who uses telekinesis and gravity manipulation(for throwing into space thing) won't really have problems dealing with telekinesis.

I know people would use the usual Zeref doesn't use time stop in character, but if he sees his opponent is throwing him into space i would say it's pretty dumb saying he wouldn't use anything he has to win.
 
1:I think your heavily overestimating his telekinesis here William. I have serious doubts that his Telekinesis is gonna be able to do anything to her. We both know damn well his telekinesis is nowhere near as impressive as Tatsumaki's


2:Teleporting from Tartarus isn't as impressive as teleporting from space to earth. Once again your heavily overestimating his Teleportation just like his telekinesis.


3: Fair enough. However he doesn't use it in character so I still have my doubts that he'd go right for time stop.


4: That's just ridiculous and you know that. Show me an instance of Zeref EVER using his Death Magic as a shield to protect himself. She also has barriers to protect her from his Death Magic. Also show me him trapping someone in a magical bubble.


5: Yet nobody has as impressive Telekinesis as Tatsumaki. Once again you are really overestimating his telekinesis here. And being stronger than people in his verse doesn't automatically give him resistance to their abilities. Gravity Manipulation are two VERY different abilities.


6: That's assuming he'll react before getting thrown into space.


It seems to me you are downplaying Tatsumaki and getting close to wanking Zeref no offense.
 
1. One thing I never said his telekinesis is a strong as Tatsumaki's and his magical bubble that his uses to trap people is not telekinesis it's a bonus if we wanna call it like that.

2. He can still teleport behind her and one shot as I bet he can teleport for at least couple of hundreds of meters.

3. By that logic Tatsumaki doesn't in character throw someone is space ethier so what stops Zeref from killing her with death magic before she does?

4.Give me couple of minutes and I will show you Natsu's flames that are also capable of power nullification getting blocked by death magic shield. Trapping someone in a magical bubble is where he does it with Makarov (The argument would be that Makarov is weaker, but Zeref was totally causal and that was base Zeref as well.)

5. No one here said their telekinesis is as strong all I said is that since he has 400 years of knowledge that include telekinesis he can definitely think of something to deal with it and I said gravity manipulation for the fact of throwing into space as that can be done with it as well.

6. He is just as fast a Tatsumaki cause speed equal and she is not throwing him so fast that he can't react (talking about me wanking someone) considering that his time stop when used is instant as it doesn't require hand signs or magical circles and similar.

I never even spoked about Tatsumaki's abilties so saying I am downplaying her doesn't have sense since I literraly only talked about Zeref and things he can do.
 
1: Fair enough and I never said his magic bubble was telekinesis.


2: And she creates a barrier as he attacks her thus blocking his attack. And from what I'm collecting he doesn't use his Teleportation in combat. Key word "Bet."


3: Her barriers. That's what. Once she sees his spells she'll most likely want to get rid of him immediately thus throwing him into space.


4: I already know about Natsu's limited power nullification. And you kinda contradicted yourself by saying Makaarov is a weaker. Doubt that'll work on someone much stronger than him.


5: Nobody in Fairy Tail can throw people in space with Gravity Manipulation. Got scans of anyone doing so? And I really doubt he'll have an answer to it. If that's the case he would have dealt with Natsu's Fire magic. ( I know it's PIS just using that as an example.)


6: You do realize how quick it takes to be flung into space right? Look boros kicking Saitama to the moon. Happened in mere seconds. Which is why i said If he can react to that.


No but it did seem as if you were really trying to overestimating his Telekinesis and Teleportation. Anyway dropping the wank / downplay subject before anything else happens.


Edit: signing off for now sleep is calling.
 
Dude if you drop the subject like that than why do you even start a discussion.

Anyway, Zeref uses death magic to bind his opponent:

http://m.*************/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c530/20.html

And here is Zeref using death magic as a barrier:


http://m.*************/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c525/10.html

Also comparing Tatsumaki to Boros now? I would also like to say that even 2 seconds for someone who reacts at speed of 4K mach(since we equalise for Tatsumaki'sake) is ton of time.

Considering I didn't say he can teleport back from space to earth I don't see any wank in it.

His teleportaion also allwoed him to diaspaear from Tartarus which is a minimum of several hundred meters if we consider the fact no one was able to sense him and Natsu wasn't able to smell him and Natsu can smell things on kilometers so if nothing i am downplaying it.

His telekinesis again never said to be stronger than Tastumaki's or even comparable in power.

Anyway, I vote for Zeref.

Tatsumaki's only true chance of wining is to throw him into space, but Zeref has his death barrier to protect from her telekinesis and he can time stop before she throw him into space because she will need couple of seconds and considering their speed Zeref could use time stop several times in that amount of time as his time stop is instant.

Zeref could also try to teleport behind her and attack with death magic that ignores durabilty as a surprise attack and one shot. He can also use his death magic to bind his opponent or at least costrect her to defend herself with barriers against it.

All, in all he can deal with her telekinesis with his time stop and death magic barriers or try surprise attacks with teleportaion while she in the other side even thou is capable of using barriers to protect herself as well doesn't change the fact that she has a limited stamina while he has no such problem and would in the end win by pure stamina adavantage...

or simply stop time and kill her if she ever tries to throw him into space.

P.S The OP should remove win by death.
 
If you are inside of a shell, telekinesis is going to affect the shell not you.

And since it was an argument used for Zeref teleportaion I will just say the same. Show me Tatsumaki's telekinesis bypassing a magical barrier.
 
That wall example has nothing to do with this.

Also, you are the one saying she can bypass magical barriers with her TK even thou the barrier covers the entire body so it's on you the burden of proof.

Cause remember that a barrier is energy and not an actual physical object and one type of energy can block another one.

Also, even if I let it be for the barrier there is still nothing Tatsumaki can do against time stop.
 
>has nothing to do with this


I'm comparing the barrier to the wall dude, thought that was abundantly clear.


But fine, Tatsumaki takes the landmass he's on with him on it and throws it into space.
 
I would say Zeref but he never uses time stop in a fight for whatever reason (or maybe it's not time stop).

So generic Tatsu throws him in space vote.
 
KuuIchigo said:
I would say Zeref but he never uses time stop in a fight for whatever reason (or maybe it's not time stop).

So generic Tatsu throws him in space vote.
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So you say he won't use time stop while Tatsumaki is throwing him into space?

Even if he doesn't usually use it I would say it's dumb he wouldn't do it if it's his only option wouldn't you say.

also did she ever throw someone in space in character?
 
Well, yeah. Also, we don't know whats the range of his time stop. So if he did, we wouldn't know if it'll affect Tatsu who would probably just send him back there.

You can also say he had all the time (get it) at his disposal yet never opt to stop time. It's probably CIS.

Well, according to up top she does when she feels threatened.
 
So Tatsumaki has no feat of throwing into space. Zeref has a timestop feat.

Range should at least be the size of Tartarus as there was no sounds or anything during his time stop and there was a "war" in progress so we should have heard something.

I think that's around 80-100 meters square as a minimum. Considering that he is superior to Dimaria it could as well be hundreds of meters as her is.

But everyone vote for Tatsumaki. Okay.
 
She has feats of throwing dozens if not hundreds of city blocks at hypersonic speeds into the clouds to hit a spaceship.

And can pull a meteor down from space.
 
I am not aggressive i am just stating things for how they are.

Tatsumaki has no feat, while Zeref does. Thou persons still assume Tatsumaki will be the first one to do something she never did.

I am sorry if it's sounds aggressive or similar, but it's how the things are.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
She has feats of throwing dozens if not hundreds of city blocks at hypersonic speeds into the clouds to hit a spaceship.

And can pull a meteor down from space.
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She can raise things with telekinesis(really high). And she can summon down a meteor.

Don't see her throwing someone into space there. Zeref stopped time when he was with Natsu.

Also, by that logic anyone capable of summoning down a meteor can throw someone into space, yet we don't use it as an argument.
 
And like your point is? Sending them upwards at a 90 degree angle is still raising them you simply explained it more specifically of what she can do.

But the main point is the fact she can raise things with telekinesis lol.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Yeah, 90 degree angle straight to space.
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I would love to see her doing that. Once you get a proof of her throwing something into space i will gladly watch it.
 
>has shown the ability to eject things straight up, at massive speeds in an instant, thst even if they dudnt hut something, would of been sent into orbit due to the speed and momentum they were carrying

>has the range to effect things in space and pull them towards earth in seconds due to an offhand remark

Now combine the two, or just pay attention to the first one.


Also if we're playing the proof game, mind showing me those death barriers blocking attacks and such? I at least had the decenty to grab some gifs, it's your turn now.
 
I told you i will just let it be for the barrier, cause it's no longer a main point.

You know what momentum and speed those objects had because? Show me the calc you did that proves it... Actually don't bother it's unnecessary because...

It doesn't matter if she can do it or not Zeref wins via time stop and there is nothing she can do about it considering he is just as fast as she and his time stop is instantaneous as he needs no hand signs or and similar.

If we are gonna assume Tatsumaki will do something she never did than I guess we should assume Zeref will do something he has already done.
 
So? I'm still asking to see it.

I actually can grab ya a calc if ya want.

Also in character, Tats starts off with tk. CIS or not, thats being applied here.

Tats also has that weird body shredding to thing too.
 
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