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Tatsumaki (OPM) Vs Cyn (MD)
- Thread starter Sbogi
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Can't Cyn just explode/null her? I mean the only reason she didn't do that in the show was due to the fact that solver users/DDs are immune to solver insta-kill options(Even then she still tried that against N and Nori)?
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Can you show scans? Tatsumaki can destroy Cyn down to the cellular level with a simple stare, which seems like a quicker, more surefire wincon.
EnderLord8
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Small Building Durability and Solar System Level AP? Unexpectedly, I almost didn't realize Cyn has such low durability and was wondering how Tatsumaki could possibly beat a 4-B character.
And dude, why is most of the character stats in the verse unknown? What's going on with the Murder Drones verse?
And dude, why is most of the character stats in the verse unknown? What's going on with the Murder Drones verse?
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Equal speed moment
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Nah, she should have higher durability, but they couldn't calculate and scale how big the explosion was, so they went with the weakest calc they could tank.
Same goes with the rest.
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Which is why Tatsumaki's wincon is better, as it's activated mentally and spawns on the opponent.
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They actually have know its just no ones gone to evaluate it theres 2 diffrent calcs for the diffrent inplotions but no one will look at them so far that im aware off
Arkansalter2
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My man, what isn't?..
Kirua29
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Due to a recent debunking, she lost her durability like all the characters in the verse, but this is only temporary, it's just until the pending calculations are validated or not.
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If this has to be activated, I see no reason why it would be faster than Tatsumaki's telekinesis that is mentally activated and is her starting move.
Kirua29
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Thanks to the Glitch Inn leak, we know that the Absolute Solver uses the x, y, z angles to manipulate the space around it. This also explains why one Solver user can't interact directly with another Solver user, since the latter manipulates spatial dimensions. Therefore, Tatsumaki's telekinetic power is weaker than hers, so she technically couldn't use her power directly on Cyn; it wouldn't work. By the time she realizes she needs to use her environment to attack, Cyn will have time to stop time.
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Why would manipulating the space around her stop Tatsumaki from spawning attacks directly on her? I don't see the correlation.
Kirua29
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If the solver is capable of blocking spatial manipulation, and spatial manipulation is a much stronger power than telekinesis, then how do you expect Tatsumaki to use his telekinesis on Cyn?
Delusionaltx2
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Telekinesis and spatial manipulation are 2 different abilities. Being able to block spatial manipulation with superior spatial manipulation does not make you functionally invulnerable to telekinesis.
Kirua29
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It’s not really different, the principle is the same: manipulating your environment. The only difference is how it’s done. With telekinesis, you apply a measurable force in joules to an object to destroy it, whereas with spatial manipulation, you break the object simply because reality is altered that way, not because of a conventional applied force.
So I’ll reiterate: if the Solver can block a power that is that powerful and complex, then it can also block a power based on the same concept but weaker. Because if it resists spatial manipulation, that means its XYZ coordinates cannot be altered. And if its coordinates cannot be altered, then clearly a force applied to those coordinates wouldn’t be able to modify them either.
VoidGoji
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Have they ever started with time stop in ANY fight? Only time it appeared was at the very last moment of their fight.
Kirua29
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As I said, we know how the absolute solver works with the glitch inn leaks, and time is also a coordinate in the same way as the xyz angles, so if the solver manipulates the spatial dimension he can manipulate time for force stopping, so nothing prevents him from doing it at the start of the fight, it's not because he does it at the end that he can't do it at the beginning, especially given the nature of his power
I responded to a similar argument in my previous comment, spatial manipulation > telekinesis
Kirua29
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And most importantly, as shown, the Solver has advantages if Tatsumaki attacks first, but here I’m only talking about defense and counterattacks.
In reality, Tatsumaki wouldn’t be able to do anything if the Solver attacks first. She has nothing to defend herself against spatial manipulation. Cyn would just split her head apart and that would be the end of the fight.
Her hax is simply much stronger, and in this kind of battle, hax is what matters most.
In reality, Tatsumaki wouldn’t be able to do anything if the Solver attacks first. She has nothing to defend herself against spatial manipulation. Cyn would just split her head apart and that would be the end of the fight.
Her hax is simply much stronger, and in this kind of battle, hax is what matters most.
Delusionaltx2
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again where the heck is cell dura neg on the profile?
Kirua29
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Whether this is done via spatial manipulation or not is irrelevant as already demonstrated.
In addition, obtaining the slightest change on vsbw is very slow, especially for a niche series like murder drones, and moreover the powerscalers of murder drones have other priorities than explaining how the solver works, such as for example that the characters have a bulding level durability...
Kirua29
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This is the moment in the series where Cyn resists a power equivalent to telekinesis.
Additionally on cyn's profile, she has resistance to telekinesis, this has already been validated
Delusionaltx2
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Anyways what i'm getting from this thread is this
The moment tatsumaki telekinetically grabs cyn, The absolute solver will use spatial manipulation to warp the energy tatsumakis telekinesis is generating away from cyn?
The moment tatsumaki telekinetically grabs cyn, The absolute solver will use spatial manipulation to warp the energy tatsumakis telekinesis is generating away from cyn?
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This is an extremely specific case though, rather than being resistant to telekinesis in general, no?
This wouldn't mean anything for Tatsumaki's ability.
Kirua29
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That's pretty much it, yes; basically, if another solver can't use spatial manipulation on another, then an equivalent but weaker concept wouldn't work.
Kirua29
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Not really, if the solver can block that for another user of the solver, there's no reason to think it wouldn't do the same with Tatsumaki.
Delusionaltx2
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In that case, yeah, I agree on this then
When you're using telekinesis, the objects you apply force on still exist within space, so the force would also exist in space as well
if the space where the force is being applied to gets altered, then yeah there's no reason to believe it should still be affecting the same coordinate of space
Delusionaltx2
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tbf I feel like "Resistance to TK" isn't exactly a thing since TK is based on lifting strength
resisting class K TK dosen't exactly mean class Z tk would just not work for example
Cyn dosen't really need this anyway though for this thread
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Yeah, that's just not how the abilities will interact.
Spatial hax works by altering the space that the target occupies. Cyn resisting that does not mean that she can not be moved or interacted with at all. I don't know how you extrapolated that from the scans you've sent, unless there are other instances that suggest otherwise. Telekinesis would absolutely work here.
Spatial hax works by altering the space that the target occupies. Cyn resisting that does not mean that she can not be moved or interacted with at all. I don't know how you extrapolated that from the scans you've sent, unless there are other instances that suggest otherwise. Telekinesis would absolutely work here.
Delusionaltx2
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I don't think thats whats being said here
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