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Zeno Low 1-C?

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WTF said:
Not really, the universes themselves have their own time axis parallel to each other but the timeline encompasses these parallel time axes , as if it were a different direction of the time axis
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Again and again, I will give an example, there is something Multiverse that holds the past, present, and future, they are all still 4-D, not 5-D, because basically the Universe has a subject Space 3-D + 1-D Temporal. Timeline, it has moved history whose name is "Timeline", does not mean adding an axis.
 
Kulf_Boba said:
The timeline spans multiple 2-C structures, so it must function as the Low 2-C level, which is a structure containing 3-A transfinite structures.

In this case it would be 2-C transfinite structures so it is Low 1-C.
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It's just going to be 2-A. Not with Low 1-C
 
What you're saying is,

Since the timeline contains multiple 2-C structures, the timeline itself as the container for those structures should be Low 1-C.

But what I don't understand is why it must be Low 1-C? A structure doesn't have to dimensionally transcend another structure to be able to contain it.
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
What you're saying is,

Since the timeline contains multiple 2-C structures, the timeline itself as the container for those structures should be Low 1-C.

But what I don't understand is why it must be Low 1-C? A structure doesn't have to dimensionally transcend another structure to be able to contain it.
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The OP is arguing multiple temporal dimensions which would be 5d, because time travel creates an entire multiverse, not just a universe in which you time traveled from.
 
Not quite.

what I’m saying is, a timeline is “made up of”/“constructed” by an uncountably infinite points of a 3D universe.

if those points are 4D, the the “construction” due to time being a continuum is 5D.

is basically applying the same logic for why low 2-C exists but to 4D objects.
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
What you're saying is,

Since the timeline contains multiple 2-C structures, the timeline itself as the container for those structures should be Low 1-C.

But what I don't understand is why it must be Low 1-C? A structure doesn't have to dimensionally transcend another structure to be able to contain it.
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I don't think "dimensionally transcend another structure" shouldn't be the only requirement for Low 1-C
 
Hasty12345 said:
Not quite.

what I’m saying is, a timeline is “made up of”/“constructed” by an uncountably infinite points of a 3D universe.

if those points are 4D, the the “construction” due to time being a continuum is 5D.

is basically applying the same logic for why low 2-C exists but to 4D objects.
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A timeline wouldn't only be made up by "3D" since it would contain an universal spacetime continuum which an "spacetime" is above the 3D construct meaning it's 4D. If those timelines are infinite than it would be inf 4D. I kind of an agreement with Low 1-C based of your reason
 
TiltedFN said:
The OP is arguing multiple temporal dimensions which would be 5d, because time travel creates an entire multiverse, not just a universe in which you time traveled from.
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Why is there multiple temporal dimensions? Trunks' timeline is a single temporal dimension not multiple and Zeno destroys that timeline.
 
Has Zeno affected the entire structure that houses said 2-C universe by directly impacting its cosmological structure rather than simply having range within said multiverse timeline?

It is generally accepted that 2-C and above would get some limited 5D range for being able to travel the distances between timelines which is often assumed as either empty void or the 5th axis.
But as said having this range or capability to travel this does not equate to tier or AP and it is limited thus you cannot freely travel anywhere you want in this 5th axis and only to those within the scope of the verse.

The argument you pose assumes that zeno destroyed this timeline by affecting an entirety of a 5th axis of higher timeline which is something you need to prove because if so then there shouldn't be any 4D timelines left even in the past or present which isn't the case when trunks timeline was destroyed including all the universes in that point of time. Thus becomes an argument against your claim that he affected an entirety of a 5th axis structure. so the other alternative would be that he simply destroyed said timelines within the structure that houses them (if it really is a structure and not a void which is unlikely knowing what remained after trunks timeline was destroyed).

Thus this entire argument falls apart if you truly understand what and how 2-C to 2-A requirements are in this wiki
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Has Zeno affected the entire structure that houses said 2-C universe by directly impacting its cosmological structure rather than simply having range within said multiverse timeline?

It is generally accepted that 2-C and above would get some limited 5D range for being able to travel the distances between timelines which is often assumed as either empty void or the 5th axis.
But as said having this range or capability to travel this does not equate to tier or AP and it is limited thus you cannot freely travel anywhere you want in this 5th axis and only to those within the scope of the verse.

The argument you pose assumes that zeno destroyed this timeline by affecting an entirety of a 5th axis of higher timeline which is something you need to prove because if so then there shouldn't be any 4D timelines left even in the past or present which isn't the case when trunks timeline was destroyed including all the universes in that point of time. Thus becomes an argument against your claim that he affected an entirety of a 5th axis structure. so the other alternative would be that he simply destroyed said timelines within the structure that houses them (if it really is a structure and not a void which is unlikely knowing what remained after trunks timeline was destroyed).

Thus this entire argument falls apart if you truly understand what and how 2-C to 2-A requirements are in this wiki
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I remember zeno erasure everythink but goku's escaped with time machine
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Has Zeno affected the entire structure that houses said 2-C universe by directly impacting its cosmological structure rather than simply having range within said multiverse timeline?

It is generally accepted that 2-C and above would get some limited 5D range for being able to travel the distances between timelines which is often assumed as either empty void or the 5th axis.
But as said having this range or capability to travel this does not equate to tier or AP and it is limited thus you cannot freely travel anywhere you want in this 5th axis and only to those within the scope of the verse.

The argument you pose assumes that zeno destroyed this timeline by affecting an entirety of a 5th axis of higher timeline which is something you need to prove because if so then there shouldn't be any 4D timelines left even in the past or present which isn't the case when trunks timeline was destroyed including all the universes in that point of time. Thus becomes an argument against your claim that he affected an entirety of a 5th axis structure. so the other alternative would be that he simply destroyed said timelines within the structure that houses them (if it really is a structure and not a void which is unlikely knowing what remained after trunks timeline was destroyed).

Thus this entire argument falls apart if you truly understand what and how 2-C to 2-A requirements are in this wiki
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well the argument is that the timeline or the space that holds that macrocosms, which are 4d spaces, views it as finite, so it should be 5th dimensional as per wiki standards correct?
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
im equating it
a larger 4D universe can view a small 4D universe as finite
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isn't time by default infinite on this site? With there being no difference between Low 2-C and 2-A being the same, so if a space encompasses all of that, that is 5d, and since time travel creates a whole new multiverse, there is evidence of 2 temporal dimension. So 2 temporal+3 spatial.
 
TiltedFN said:
isn't time by default infinite on this site? With there being no difference between Low 2-C and 2-A being the same, so if a space encompasses all of that, that is 5d, and since time travel creates a whole new multiverse, there is evidence of 2 temporal dimension. So 2 temporal+3 spatial.
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Time being infinite refers to its snapshot
Time is a linear line that extends infinitely into the future (unless stated otherwise)
and they only qualify as 4D for the entirety of their set (Aleph 1 amount of Snapshot)
so no it is not infinite in the 4D scale but it is infinite enough in the 3D scale that it is by infinite set theory higher than regular infinite thus granting qualitative superiority.

Your argument says space encompasses all that but you later argue 2 temporal and 3 spatial
which doesn't make sense because temporal dimensions are not spatial dimensions thus it cannot have space that you say encompasses the 4D universe.
Choose one Higher space or more temporal dimension

time travel creating a new multiverse is not proof of 2 temporal dimensions. but a branching timeline of larger timelines
each universe in DBS already houses 6 universe sized space-time but since all of it despite having different flow of time are still under one big larger timeline that is still linear and not complex like Imaginary time which is what qualifies for 2 temporal dimension Complex time that could qualify for low 1-C
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Time being infinite refers to its snapshot
Time is a linear line that extends infinitely into the future (unless stated otherwise)
and they only qualify as 4D for the entirety of their set (Aleph 1 amount of Snapshot)
so no it is not infinite in the 4D scale but it is infinite enough in the 3D scale that it is by infinite set theory higher than regular infinite thus granting qualitative superiority.

Your argument says space encompasses all that but you later argue 2 temporal and 3 spatial
which doesn't make sense because temporal dimensions are not spatial dimensions thus it cannot have space that you say encompasses the 4D universe.
Choose one Higher space or more temporal dimension

time travel creating a new multiverse is not proof of 2 temporal dimensions. but a branching timeline of larger timelines
each universe in DBS already houses 6 universe sized space-time but since all of it despite having different flow of time are still under one big larger timeline that is still linear and not complex like Imaginary time which is what qualifies for 2 temporal dimension Complex time that could qualify for low 1-C
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i know temporal dimensions aren't spatial, and the DB timeline in question, each spacetime holds past, present, and future within it, with all that being encompassed by a larger timeline, so if you think the space that holds the universe is just a larger 4d space, then there would still be 2 temporal dimensions, because time travel creates a new multiverse, not just another universe.
 
TiltedFN said:
i know temporal dimensions aren't spatial, and the DB timeline in question, each spacetime holds past, present, and future within it, with all that being encompassed by a larger timeline, so if you think the space that holds the universe is just a larger 4d space, then there would still be 2 temporal dimensions, because time travel creates a new multiverse, not just another universe.
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like I said if you wanna argue 2 temporal dimensions you need to prove a lot of complex things that imaginary time(Complex time) does and so far what DBS has shown are all mostly Larger timelines situations
Go read this if you really think they qualify for 2 temporal dimension

Imaginary time - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
TiltedFN said:
i know temporal dimensions aren't spatial, and the DB timeline in question, each spacetime holds past, present, and future within it, with all that being encompassed by a larger timeline, so if you think the space that holds the universe is just a larger 4d space, then there would still be 2 temporal dimensions, because time travel creates a new multiverse, not just another universe.
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İf There is two temporal dimensions then you have to prove one of them Higher than according to another one
For example: some said this time line Higher or covered another one etc
 

Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)

If 18 2-C (5 Universes) can be dwarfed by a vastly larger space (Neutral Space) I think the space has to be proven infinitely greater than the 2-C spaces. Dragon Ball may have 4 Spaces that is just like that being
Neutral Space
Zeno's Palace
World of Void
Super Shenron's insides

But we need evidence that these spaces are infinitely greater than the 2-C realms
 
AwkguyDB said:

Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)

If 18 2-C (5 Universes) can be dwarfed by a vastly larger space (Neutral Space) I think the space has to be proven infinitely greater than the 2-C spaces. Dragon Ball may have 4 Spaces that is just like that being
Neutral Space
Zeno's Palace
World of Void
Super Shenron's insides

But we need evidence that these spaces are infinitely greater than the 2-C realms
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The timeline contains instantaneous transfinites of the 18 universes, i.e. already Low 1-C.
 
AKUTO123 said:
İf There is two temporal dimensions then you have to prove one of them Higher than according to another one
For example: some said this time line Higher or covered another one etc
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The Time Machine creates another multiverse when traveling, that already proves that the timeline is superior to the timelines of each universe, since it encompasses them all.
 
Qualitative superiority isn't the only thing that let you get to tier 1 and higher, bruhh, or else verse using Superstring, M-Theory, Brane Cosmology will never get tier 1. qualitative superiority is just one of requirement to get to tier 1
 
Kulf_Boba said:
The Time Machine creates another multiverse when traveling, that already proves that the timeline is superior to the timelines of each universe, since it encompasses them all.
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Nah, timeline is one time dimension that has many Universes parallel to it. Not that there are infinite 2-C structures at every point in time but it's just working the same way any Low 2-C structure does.
 
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