Zelda 4-C upgrades (Or downgrades now)

[GiverOfThePeace]

Except the sun isn't there before the fight starts and once he warps it the sun is there. Are we just assuming the sun just happened to be there? Again, occam's razor. Your conclusion takes a lot more assumptions then simply "he warped it".

 

[Dark649]

It would scale to a lot of characters since Ganon is considered much stronger than Zant.

It would scale to the Triforce, Master Sword, Mage Cap, Zant, ToP Ganondorf, ToC Link's, Zelda Light Arrows, Vaati Wrath, Midna, Dark Link, Shadow Link, Yuga Ganon, Possibly Game and Watch Link and the Hero's Shade.

But only if it is proven that Zant really created/duplicated a real sun.

Overall: I'm fine with the 6-B upgrade, but not for Zant and Majora Mask Upgrade.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I rewatched this fight and I saw no feats of Zant warping the sun. And stage 6 is very reminiscent of time of day; implying the sun rotation if any is natural and not actually "Warped".

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

I was going to refute this, but I'll just let Sixo do it since he's played TP recently.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Also, this wouldn't conflict with Triforce being 4-B obviously just to note.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I've heard that the Triforce is actually meant to be downgraded to High 4-C soon due to changes in how we treat pocket realms or something. Anyway I'm planning on making a new thread with all the available options we have for the High 5-A characters ratings since this thread turned into a bit of mess with Vaatis 4-A outlier, Majoras Mask Links base tier, and the low tiers becoming 6-B all being brought up at some point and taking up several posts.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Well it's heavily implied and debated that the Triforce isn't just 4-B but that's for another time.....

But anyway there's nothing here that I haven't already debunked

-No the sun wasn't always there as they clearly are still in the Twilight Realm due to the Master Sword glowing during the fight as it only does in the Twilight realm and nowhere else meaning it's either RW or Illusions

-And we can debunk it being an illusion due to physical items like pots,the Twilight barriers that Zant puts up and etc and besides you can't flat out say the backgrounds,sun and planet are'nt physical when everything else in it is as that's stretching it even further than the feat ever could do

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Majora's Mask Link already has a thread.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I'd like to request this thread be closed please, in a few minutes I'll post a new more organised thread with all the tier suggestions (5-A, High 4-C, etc...) and the arguments for and against them listed in the OP so everyone can easily follow what's been discussed without going though this entire thread. And if it's not too much trouble I would like a highlight on the new thread since no matter what we're looking at serious changes (Upgrades or downgrades) for many characters.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'll wait for the thread to be made so you can link it here, but I will once that's taken care of.

 

[Dust_Collector]

New thread here, come and comment peeps.

 

[Dark649]

I will close this.