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I'd just stick with High 4-C for now.
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Zelda 4-C upgrades (Or downgrades now)
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I'am but the 4-A feat I'm going to look into but I'm in favor for High 4-C Ganondorf with TOP
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Alright
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That's not the feat I'm referring to
It's a new feat that involves Zant as when he warps the realm he creates Hyrule Castle and Fields with a sun in the sky.If the realm becomes night and if it contains stars(which it usually does in twilight Princess)that could be a 4-A feat I just need an image and confirmation that that happens during Zant's fight if you stall
It's a new feat that involves Zant as when he warps the realm he creates Hyrule Castle and Fields with a sun in the sky.If the realm becomes night and if it contains stars(which it usually does in twilight Princess)that could be a 4-A feat I just need an image and confirmation that that happens during Zant's fight if you stall
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@Dark649
Actually, some of the High 6-C's are getting upgraded to 6-B, or Country level+ based on another thread. There was a calc from NarutoForums, I'll link the thread when I find it unless someone else links it first.
Edit: this was the upgrade thread for weaker Zelda bosses.
Also, as for the Breath of the Wild's time placement stuff, there's info mentioned here.
Actually, some of the High 6-C's are getting upgraded to 6-B, or Country level+ based on another thread. There was a calc from NarutoForums, I'll link the thread when I find it unless someone else links it first.
Edit: this was the upgrade thread for weaker Zelda bosses.
Also, as for the Breath of the Wild's time placement stuff, there's info mentioned here.
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What relevance does the High 6-Cs becoming 6-B have here? We're meant to be discussing the ratings for the High 5-A characters and whether they should be upgraded or downgraded.
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Sorry for all the derailing, for this thread there are three alternatives:
- Ganon feats are further constested and they are downgraded, which i hardly see that happen.
- The possibly 4-C is accepted for the High 5-A ones.
- Zant feat is considered legit and the High 5-A ones becomes at least High 4-C because there is a sun in the background, also night-time doesn't happen in the fight.
- Ganon feats are further constested and they are downgraded, which i hardly see that happen.
- The possibly 4-C is accepted for the High 5-A ones.
- Zant feat is considered legit and the High 5-A ones becomes at least High 4-C because there is a sun in the background, also night-time doesn't happen in the fight.
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Due to how this thread has become a bit of a mess I think maybe the best thing to do now is make a more focused thread about those 3 alternatives so it'll be easier to follow and maybe even highlight it since no matter what this would be a significant change since it would result in either a major upgrade or major downgrade.
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also night-time doesn't happen in the fight.
Why does this matter when you know the stars are there?
Why does this matter when you know the stars are there?
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They are though, but whatever. High 4-C rating for that feat is fine.
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The best thing shown in Zants battle is a single sun, plus 4-A would be a massive outlier anyway.
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I still think Zant BFRs you.
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Sealed Hyrule Castle has its own appearance, after filling the Master Sword it has a noticible glow stated to be in the twili realm and remains during the phases with Zant, The areas are locked and Sealed Hyrule Castle appearance seems different, pots there can be broke.
Link sword can glow outside of the twili realm, but its not as much as when he is in the Twili realm.
Link sword can glow outside of the twili realm, but its not as much as when he is in the Twili realm.
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Sorry I was a bit busy 
Anyway,the sword glow happens in the Twilight realm when the Master Sword absorbs the power of the Sol Orbs which give it a bright sparkly glow and in a Zant's fight when he warps the realms to create the boss rooms and Hyrule Feild the sword continues to glow canceling out the option of it being BFR
Quote from game: "In the Palace of Twilight, Link fuses the Master Sword with the power of the Sols. This Light-Infused Master Sword enables Link to defeat most monsters of Twilight in a single blow. The sword is also capable of clearing away the Dark Fog that causes Link to revert back to wolf form.[33] This upgrade is only usable while in the Twilight Realm."
Anyway,the sword glow happens in the Twilight realm when the Master Sword absorbs the power of the Sol Orbs which give it a bright sparkly glow and in a Zant's fight when he warps the realms to create the boss rooms and Hyrule Feild the sword continues to glow canceling out the option of it being BFR
Quote from game: "In the Palace of Twilight, Link fuses the Master Sword with the power of the Sols. This Light-Infused Master Sword enables Link to defeat most monsters of Twilight in a single blow. The sword is also capable of clearing away the Dark Fog that causes Link to revert back to wolf form.[33] This upgrade is only usable while in the Twilight Realm."
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If you can provide photo evidence of the stars being there during the fight that would be awesome as I have an argument against 4-A being an outlierSixo Bullets said:
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Zant areas are limited duplications of mini-bosses and bosses arena of previous bosses and the last area is Sealed Hyrule Castle.
For the feat being at least High 4-C, Zant had to re-create the entire planet and all the space to place the sun, however i think Zant did not that but rather just duplicated the Sealed Hyrule area, the hills around it and the space above on his own image, then placed a miniature sun - they wield this much to illuminate it [That's it he did not created the planet, space and sun].
For the feat being at least High 4-C, Zant had to re-create the entire planet and all the space to place the sun, however i think Zant did not that but rather just duplicated the Sealed Hyrule area, the hills around it and the space above on his own image, then placed a miniature sun - they wield this much to illuminate it [That's it he did not created the planet, space and sun].
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That conclusion takess a lot more asssumptions then simply "he warped it".
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I gotta agree with Giver on this one as that seems way to assumption based and over complicates the feat
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Yeah, that requires quite a lot of assumptions and goes against the normal standard for warping and creation feats. A good example of something like this would be Chocomon's feat.
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AgreedSixo Bullets said:
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Yeah, I don't think Zant's Tier 4 feat is legit and that he only teleported them to illustory worlds, the Endless Night feat, I guess I'm still neutral on whether we treat that as a 5-C, High 5-A or 4-C feat. But Triforce did give context on Calamity Ganon's 5-A feat being legit still.
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Yeah no. The feat is entirely legit. He outright did this before in the game.
Zelda states that he warped and transformed it into a world of shadows and twilight, and you outright see this feat being performed. The area he warped has quite simply been shown to contain a star. It is more consistent that he in fact warped this and it is never confirmed or shown that he has illusionary abilites to that extent, and it requires more assumptions to assume he does have those illusionary abilities considering how I've shown that it'd be more consistent and make more sense for him to be warping it.
Zelda states that he warped and transformed it into a world of shadows and twilight, and you outright see this feat being performed. The area he warped has quite simply been shown to contain a star. It is more consistent that he in fact warped this and it is never confirmed or shown that he has illusionary abilites to that extent, and it requires more assumptions to assume he does have those illusionary abilities considering how I've shown that it'd be more consistent and make more sense for him to be warping it.
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That looks like a vague spotlight, not a star.
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What? How the actual **** is that not a star?
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If you unironically doubt it's a star it is literally shown that when that star goes down, the moon goes up along with the fact that you see tons of stars in the sky at night. It is a star, and follows the general cycle of one. If it was a "vague spotlight" there would be no moon or nightime at all.
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And here you can literally see it setting.
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We assume it's a star with what's been shown above. Even then, there have been feats accepted for similar reasonings so that seems like double standards honestly.HierophantDeluxe said:
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It honestly can't be illusions as the items in the jars you break contain hearts and physical items which really goes against the realm just being an illusionDarkDragonMedeus said:
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Please shrink that image, it's way too big.
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Sorry about that it's the only pic I could find
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It seems only like a real stretch to label it as an illusion, especially with the counter reasoning given above. It doesn't seem even inconsistent if they already have some Tier 4 range feats like Vaati, Zant, and 4-C Ganondorf to make it consistent.
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Just because the pots are real doesn't mean the backgrounds are real; anyway, it is more heavily implied that he teleports you to various locations rather than actually creating realms that big. But if the High 4-C feats are considered legit, it would scale to a lot of characters since Ganon is considered much stronger than Zant.
Also, someone might need to inform Azathoth about this thread.
Also, someone might need to inform Azathoth about this thread.
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It's not implied more he teleports you, Sixo literally showed you consistent proof on why it's him warping it.
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He transformed the Kingdom of Hyrule, it doesn't imply things outside the planet being warped but rather that the sun is already there. Merlina the Wizard was downgraded from 4-C to High 6-A similar reasons due to warping Camelot and not actually creating the sun that was already there.
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