Yung's Battle Party Tournament: Dark Stars (Starjun & Uryu Ishida) Vs. Fingers (Sans & Nagito)

[Deceived3596]

Dark Stars! (Starjun & Uryu Ishida)

Vs.

Fingers! (Sans & Nagito)

Rules:

1) Equal Base Stats

2) 2 minutes of prep time.

3) Otherwise SBA

 

[Deceived3596]

I believe Dark Stars pretty concretely defeats Fingers. Sans's Soul Manipulation is nigh useless in this thread since Uryu has vastly superior Soul Manipulation scaling and Starjun possess his own innate resistances, alongside some pretty interesting ways to counter such abilities as well. Starjun, in-character, starts off by layering Back Channels across his entire body to create a lag in space-time, which, alongside his Gourmet Clairvoyance, allows him to essentially see into the future. While the precognition here isn't all that important, what is important is that Back Channels relocate the user's body, mind, and soul into an entirely separate spatial-temporal dimension that blocks off any interaction with them which require similar spatial-temporal existence to occur. Which means, unless Sans has Inter-Dimensional range, or the ability to bypass dimensions, he ain't affecting Starjun with his stuff. This also makes him invisible to those who haven't consumed PAIR, which is important to note since the act of seeing things like souls or non-physical objects isn't enough to perceive literal fabrics of space-time.

Nagito is useless in this since Starjun blatantly resists more superior from of Supernatural Luck, and Uryu's "The Antithesis" just supersedes Supernatural Luck by the sheer fact it's a direct counter towards The Almighty, which is just Fate Manipulation. It's also just an all-around superior ability as well, the ability works by reversing events which have already occurred. If Nagito uses Supernatural Luck to dodge an attack for example, Uryu can just reverse the event of him dodging the attack and the attack landing to make it so the attack lands instead of misses.

Starjun and Uryu also just have abilities that neither character can do much against: Starjun can spatially-temporally BFR you into another dimension that he has free control over, manipulating its space, time, gravitational forces etc. Starjun can sneak up on both characters with his invisibility and attack them when their guard is down. Starjun can spatially separate objects by teleporting them into different dimensions, effectively bypassing durability and negating regeneration which requires spatial existence to occur.

While Uryu can erase both characters existences with his arrows. Uryu can use "The Antithesis" to reverse events that have occurred between two targets, so he can redirect damage done to himself onto another, or, theoretically, redirect damage done to an object like a rock or tree, onto another.

With this all said, I believe I pretty concretely proved that Dark Stars win this match convincingly, and without issue.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Deceived FRA, I’ll let the other side give their arguments before sliding a complete vote. But considering this is one of Deceived and my teams I’m strongly agreeing with Deceived assessment.

 

[YungManzi]

Dark stars fra

 

[Deceived3596]

Bump

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Sans does have that Combat-applicable never using his turn thing, can Dark Stars do anything against that?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Can you explain what that means

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Can you explain what that means

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What’s the range on his fourth wall breaking

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

What’s the range on his fourth wall breaking

I don't think it really has any conventional range, like it's just a by product from sans not doing anything on his turn

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't think it really has any conventional range, like it's just a by product from sans not doing anything on his turn

Is there any proof it affects multiple spacetimes or is it just shown affecting the spacetime in which Sans is in

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Is there any proof it affects multiple spacetimes or is it just shown affecting the spacetime in which Sans is in

It just stopped the Standard Melee Range Frisk from being able to do anything

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Then I see no reason why Starjun would be subject to its effects, given how back channels work. Which is a technique that Starjun in character opens with.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

It kinda works like Law Manip, I dunno if the spacetime stuff really stops that

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What I’m calling into question is something such as the range of effect of said ability. Since it could function like law manip, but if that law isn’t fundamentally shared across every spacetime, then you cannot claim such.

Another question, as per the wording of the ability, it restricts Info Analysis and Social Influencing (and similar) abilities?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Each run in UT is currently accepted as a different timeline, but don't think that really works, right?

Another question, as per the wording of the ability, it restricts Info Analysis and Social Influencing (and similar) abilities?

Most of Frisk's PnA, since they stem from the ACT button, which they can't use cause it isn't their turn

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Each run in UT is currently accepted as a different timeline, but don't think that really works, right?

I don't think so unless Sans stops all the timelines, rather than just whatever one he is currently in.

Most of Frisk's PnA, since they stem from the ACT button, which they can't use cause it isn't their turn

In that case, Sans' ability doesn't prevent Uryu's Antithesis from reversing the effect of his ability back onto Sans, making it so Sans cannot "take a turn indefinitely". Given Frisk doesn't have any ability that is akin to the Antithesis.

So, Starjun's back channels prevent him from being affected, and Uryu reverses it back to Sans. I don't see how this ability changes the outcome in the face of Deceived's argument.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Don't think you can really reverse nothing, that's what sans describes it as, just doing nothing

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Don't think you can really reverse nothing, that's what sans describes it as, just doing nothing

Uryu would reverse who's doing nothing with the Antithesis. Aka it would be Sans who is now doing nothing, as per your own admission his "doing nothing" is applicable to Frisk and Frisk-like abilities.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Uryu would reverse who's doing nothing with the Antithesis. Aka it would be Sans who is now doing nothing, as per your own admission his "doing nothing" is applicable to Frisk and Frisk-like abilities.

Reverse to what tho
sans is the one doing nothing

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Reverse to what tho
sans is the one doing nothing

Ok, poor wording on my part. Basically, Sans forces the opponent to not be able to attack and use certain abilities by extending his turn indefinitely. What Uryu's Antithesis would do is reverse that, such that Uryu and Starjun's turn is extended indefinitely instead, preventing Sans and the other dude from attacking or using certain abilities. Does that make sense?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Guess that could work

 

[Deceived3596]

Guess that could work

Since you are the person who requested Fingers, is it fine to say you're okay with Dark Stars winning this match and advancing forward in the tournament?