Yukari Yakumo vs Terumi (Susano'o)

[Shootingkill]

Since Yukari got some upgrades, I like to see how she would fair against Terumi in Susano'o form. Both are in character. Speed is equalised.


Yukari

 

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[Andykhang]

TBH though...even when she's upgraded, I still have no idea how that would help her in the fight. Can anyone tell me what does her Conceptual Manip do in this place? Would that open up her range of boundary manipulation, or does that make all of her currently known one combat applicable?

 

[Shootingkill]

Well her profile says that she could affect the fundamental boundary between everything and the border that exist conceptually between two things. Though I'm not sure if that would open up her range or anything else.

 

[Andykhang]

...Well, if she could make all of her known one be combat applicable, theoratically, she could stop him death in his track with just Motion and Stillness, or letting he destroy himself by making him a "counter-opposite" to the world itself through Matter and Antimatter, or just create an object that could at least hurt him, the same way she create thing like Perpeptual Machine.

Of course, that's just theoratical. Basically all the thing I said would be shutdown by people in this wiki.

 

[Shootingkill]

Well that's assuming she would do it in character, because she often time doesn't take her opponent seriously and is kinda lazy.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Untrue. She was never shown fighting someone in a real fight.

 

[Shootingkill]

Anyways, does ap matter here? If so, how high are both in the 5-A scale?

 

[Andykhang]

Not really? Both of them are haxx-based character.

 

[Andykhang]

Also Saikou, would all the thing I said be usable?

 

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[Elione-Arisu]

A Yukari thread with a huge amount of bumps ? That is new

So, what does Terumi start with ?

 

[Andykhang]

It's susano'o form, so immunity to Phenomenal Intervention, Time, Soul, Mind Manipulation, and is having a Youkai-like tendency to grow stronger the more people fear him (don't know if reverse is true).

...How did the protag defeat him anyway?

 

[Brunout]

...How did the protag defeat him anyway?

Power of Order and Soul eater GG easy

 

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[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

Lol, Susanoo stomps. Yukari could literally do nothing to harm him. With Noel's self observation keeping him at a constant state of existence and safety, he's practically immune to damage. To even get him out of the Unit in general it took the combined effort of Jin's observation, Tomonori's eye and Muchorin, and Ragna's soul eater to even get him out of the suit. They couldn't actually beat him in a normal fight so they have to get him out, and even after that they had to go through absurd lengths(which Ragna had help from Amaterasu to actually keep him dead) to make sure he didn't come back.

Yukari gets erased out of existence in an unfair mismatch. Her best bet would to BFR him, but that wouldn't even work on him so good luck.

 

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[Andykhang]

Power of Order and Soul eater GG easy

How that work exactly? Need more know-how so that I wouldn't get too pissed off for commenting

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

Power of Order to perceive and solidify Terumi's existence as separate from Noel, and Soul Eater to actually get him out of the unit once that had been done. This didn't actually beat him either, it just took him out of the suit meaning you'd still have to deal with regular Terumi. Yukari isn't capable of any of that, so I don't think it's relevant.

Is she not weak to spiritual damage like her profile implies? If so she's in for something. Blazblue has a very large amount of spiritual damage based attacks. Susanoo himself can crush souls with his bare hands.(it's one of his victory poses)

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Can you summarize the first paragraph into something non Blazblue fans can comprehend? The unit is particularly confusing. Yukai as vulnerable to spiritual attacks as Superman is as vulnerable to magic.

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

The way they managed to beat him was through pulling him out of the Susanoo unit.(his body) It was pretty much impossible for them to actually win in a toe-to-toe fight with him since he was invulnerable to damage and phenomena intervention. They had to go through great lengths to actually get him out though. Jin's power of order was required for Ragna to actually pull him out. Even after they did that, Ragna still had to battle Terumi by himself, and needed The Master Unit had to rewrite reality to make it so that he wouldn't just come back like he normally does.

 

[Brunout]

Actually, Jin didn't used the power of order to help put terumi out of susano'o unit. he used it to reconize Terumi, Susano'o, as a hero who helped defeated the black beast. With him being reconized as a hero by the world, his connection with the world would be cut, because no one would fear him or hate him (terumi was able to come back everytime because of hatred of others towards him, Kokonoe also explain this in her arcade mode in chronopanthasma, she even says that she doesn't "hate him anymore"). Ragna explained this before his last battle with Terumi. Ragna didn't used Amaterasu especially because of terumi. He was already dead for good

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

Jin used it to perceive his existence as separate from Noel's. The thing you just mentioned was what Amaterasu/Noel did to help put an end to Terumi. Perhaps you should replay the scene. Here's mention of it. https://imgur.com/a/Oc8uV https://imgur.com/a/X4waG https://imgur.com/a/a39VI https://imgur.com/a/FnBF5

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Gotcha, I got most of that.

Any case my only msg since finals loom over.

Due to Terumi's immunity to reality warping (phenomena thingy) and temporal and spatial effects I believe that Yukari's arsenal would be limited. However this doesn't stop her from hiding from him while bombarding him with attacks. Not to mention that precognition and time travel would be useful. Add in the fact that I don't think Existence Erasure and Conceptual Destruction is something that Terumi faced. I am generaly unsure of how Ragna and Jin pulled them out by I believe that Yukari would be able to do something similar with the utility of BM to do things like enter dreams/pictures. She should be able to do something similar if power negation is what's used on Terumi.

Cause after all it's not like Terumi's immunity means he's immune to completely anything. Could be overwhelmed by something of greater magnitude. And in this case conceptual and existence erasure should be a nice tool.

And i don't think the relevance of the world's hatred on Terumi would matter too much here if this is a 1v1 fight. Also saying Yukari doesn't take anyone seriously is absurd. She's ended up in situations where she's wary of enemies especially those of higher level. Those of weaker to her like a fairy? Yes, she looks down on them. Anyone stronger? Not so much.

Terumi's arsenal is dangerous too, but I think Yukari can either hide from those or simply resist him with her conceptual level haxx. I don't see Terumi having existence erasure either so yeah, siding with the one who actually does have that ability.


Anyway that's all, see you guys next week likely.

Edit - That said the best Terumi can aim for is a tie, which I don't mind seeing as it can hapepn too.

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

Terumi has survived existence erasure before. Even if she pulled him out, she wouldn't actually be able to kill him, while he is more than capable of killing her. Yukari isn't even aware that any of these things exist, and it's not like she knows absolutely everything. Even characters knowledgeable on it in universe would probably have trouble thinking something like that up. Not only that but she doesn't possess any of the abilities necessary to do so. You also say that her ability is on a greater magnitude than his immunity? Unless you actually believe her ability overpowers Amaterasu, that's just silly. I don't think you understand that even if she attacks him, her attacks will have no effect regardless.

Susanoo's primary function is to destroy reality/time without paradox. One of it's abilities, namely time killer is capable of completely erasing someone out of existence. It was used against Terumi, to which he survived via observation. Observation would keep Terumi safe against anything she has to throw out against him.

She is vulnerable to spiritual damage, and that would be her undoing. Susanoo would be able to put an end to her even without wiping her existence if this is really the case.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Pardon me but I don't see that anywhere on his profile. I assumed it was because he already exists out of time and space that he managed to survive such an attack. But then again, that doesn't instantly mean he's completely immune to all. About what? What are you even talking about? I'm honestly confuzzled. This is the same Yukari who can calculate mathemathical formulas that are incomparable to even math geniuses who can think of extreme formulas. But not that it matters too much. Then please kindly do explain those said abilities because I'm still very unsure and very confuzzled by your explanations . I just based it off from what I read on their wikis and nothing really peaks out as highly special aside from power negation. Also... conceptual manipulation is quite handy on doing a lot of things that aren't listed on one's profile really. It's almost as silly as the thought of Terumi being untouchable by reality manipulation right? And I do believe that you seem to think the same for Yukari and underestimate the arts of running away from combat and being completely untouchable. I mean really, how can Terumi even attack her? That's her trademark thing to do too, to hide in her gaps and act away.

Not bad, but Touhou has a character who has that ability and even she can't touch Yukari. I read through the profile that it's just self ressurection. Also the wiki of Blazblue implies that it caused a strain when he wasn't connected to Hazama. Well either way BFRing to a 2D world is still an option. Or just general BFR. My friend, you must learn to read through carefully on my previous msg. I think you might have missed this one.

>Yukai as vulnerable to spiritual attacks as Superman is as vulnerable to magic.

So it's really nothing more than a note. After all Touhou characters in fighting games are resillient to spiritual attacks. You must not make assumptions so easily.


Either way, my thoughts remain the same. This is just gonna end up like the previous clash. The one that has Terumi losing due to BFR. But with recent upgrades... Well, sorry Terumi. The best you can hope for is a tie.

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

Terumi survives Time Killer from Hakumen, the ability listed on his page. In regards to intelligent, Terumi has her beat. He has lived a great deal longer, and was born in a place of infinite information. He is in the state of being observed by Noel vermillion, she holds the same immortality that Izanami does as an observer. A good example of this is when Hakumen tries his best to kill Noel, but his blade will not affect her due to her self observation rendering her immune to whatever he throws out.

That's just Terumi, we are talking about Susanoo. It caused strain because he's not an observer. With an Observer, it'd cause absolutely no issues to him whatsoever. BFR wouldn't work. Susanoo/Terumi have transported to places that do not exist/exist at the same time, as well as to the depths of the boundary(which is a separate dimension entirely) BFRing wouldn't work here.

If it says she is vulnerable to it, then it can be used. If it wasn't a weakness, why would it be on her page? Besides, it's not like abilities are unbeatable. It's mentioned on her page that her ability can be over powered, I don't think her ability is within the realm of negating observation from Noel Vermillion. I don't think a tie is necessary. Susanoo wipes the floor with Yukari.

 

[Wuta420]

idk why you are actin like his abilities are unbeatable and have no counterplay yet act like hers are easy to get around when both characters are tier 5A

both are tier 5A for a reason

tbh you seem like you are either fanwanking him or downplaying yukari or maybe a bit of both

I think this fight is a tie

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

I don't think his abilities are unbeatable. He may be in the 5-A range, but his hax pretty much makes him unkillable. Everything I've said was accurate. It's hard to argue with people who don't know anything about Blazblue, as Blazblue is relatively hard to understand/follow for people who do keep up with it.

Being in the same tier doesn't change anything.

I'm not fanwanking him, I'm just stating the state he was in during the final battle and what he's capable of. I don't really like Yukari that much because out of all the touhou characters, she gets wanked beyond comprehension, but I do recognize that she's very powerful for her verse, and in others as well.

 

[Andykhang]

Oooh, so that's why I get so pissed off reading his comment. Just make me remember why I was in Wikijail last time.

As for this match...Probably a tie. Don't see how Terumi could be dealing with her, since she basically eat hate for breakfast, and Spiritual Damage for Yukari is like Mosquito to Saitama (also she could just change her root species anyway, if Youkai and Human have anything to do with it). And I don't see her affecting an apparent Tier 2-like immunity thing Amaterasu apparently bless him with only with virtue of tier different (again, still have no idea how that work, so can't really give much thought to it,btw is it really true he have that thing's backing)

 

[Shootingkill]

Does Terumi's Time Killer work against Yukari? Amd more importantly, does Terumi really have that ability? Because many people says he has it.

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

Oooh, so that's why I get so pissed off reading his comment. Just make me remember why I was in Wikijail last time.

As for this match...Probably a tie. Don't see how Terumi could be dealing with her, since she basically eat hate for breakfast, and Spiritual Damage for Yukari is like Mosquito to Saitama (also she could just change her root species anyway, if Youkai and Human have anything to do with it). And I don't see her affecting an apparent Tier 2-like immunity thing Amaterasu apparently bless him with only with virtue of tier different (again, still have no idea how that work, so can't really give much thought to it,btw is it really true he have that thing's backing)

To give better context, during the climax of Central Fiction's story the doomsday in effect. Basically every single timeline and universe was being condensed into one and erased entirely. Susanoo absorbs Noel. Noel as well as Izanami are fragments of the soul that resides inside of the master unit, with Izanami being the drive of it, and Noel Vermillion being the successor. When Susanoo absorbs Noel, she perpetually observes herself and since they are part of the same being, she recognizes him as the same. This allows him to avoid being erased with the rest of existence and protects him from any harm. That's part of why they wanted to separate him from it. I hope that clears things up for you a bit.